Literally went from never having been 1500 before to being 2100+ and flaming people for the same thing isn’t ironic to you?
Kinda was though
And you know this, how?
It can, but it doesn’t global (or anything close to global) through defensives like some people try to claim
Well the spec doesn’t actually do damage outside of combustion, so it kinda needs to have a somewhat short cooldown, or be able to do more consistent damage, but considering the consistent damage (greater pyro) got massively nerfed in shadowlands, I wouldn’t count on that happening
Even if mages did more damage outside of their objectively broken burst, they still have no reason to do it, because mages have such broken spammable consistent CC no matter the spec on multiple spell schools that they can deny the opponent any chance of actually retaliating while the mage’s burst is coming back up. Add the fact that combustion is on a lower CD than any defensive cooldown and is a guaranteed kill if there’s no defensive CDs available, and you basically can’t lose games unless you make mistakes. A lot of mistakes.
Except when you’re playing mage, where you have enough CCs available on different spell schools and the duration is long enough that you will at minimum lock out one opponent for 15 seconds straight with no counterplay.
Most classes have a weak CD and a strong CD (talking damage reductions here). The weak CD (usually a 20% wall or so) will not save you against the 50k frontloaded damage the mage pumps into you.
Yes, let me spend my globals trying for an at best 20% purge while you are pumping 40% of my health every second. Which, by the way, only removes the ‘guaranteed’ part, the chances of a mage still killing you is likely regardless as long as fire blasts keep pumping off global cooldown.
It is S tier and it does dominate. Just because people like you, who managed to fail achieving gladiator until BFA’s welfare version (as a mage of all things, free glad since season 1 TBC), can’t make it happen, doesn’t mean it’s not S tier, you’re just bad. But what’s even more disgusting is double fire mage, which also basically has no counterplay for 95% of comps played right now.
RMP comp should be nerfed to ground in order to make pvp fun after some rating you only see RMP noobs with infinite cc and after you join the game you get sapped, triple stunned, polymorphed, blinded, feared and nobody is alive after.
Most other casters don’t have a guaranteed kill every minute and have to do damage the rest of the game.
Most other casters don’t have 3 spell schools of different CC abilities, most of which don’t share DR, one of which is spammable, castable while blinking (Shimmer is still way overpowered) and doesn’t share school with anything else but itself.
Dispel has a cooldown. Half of your CC does not, doesn’t share DR, and lasts too long even on DR (hello Polymorph) so you can dispel one (assuming the healer isn’t the target in the first place) and the next one just locks them in place instead.
And you don’t see the problem in this when you have a 1 min CD on literally instantly killing someone? Not everyone has a 25 sec cooldown Touch of Karma with the only effective counterplay being Kleptomancy which - lo and behold - is only for mages!
Thinking purging is viable without taking into account the insane amount of globals it takes (when you die in 2 seconds) just shows why you are incapable of making it work. While I really don’t want you to (I’d rather you stay stuck at your garbage rating), go watch a stream of a relatively competent player abusing fire mage and just copy what they’re doing. While in the past mage may have looked even remotely challenging to play, it is not in Shadowlands - at least not fire.
Yes, representation totally indicates whether or not something is viable. Because everyone fotm rerolls and gear is a non-factor in a time gated expansion where you’re permanently behind if you start late.
Wait, no, only people like you do, and then suck at it (despite having gear) and complain it’s not broken as all hell, despite people showing time and time again that it is. If I’m room temperature IQ, then you are Antarctica temperature IQ. Which, I mean, you have to be, because you fail at making fire mage work right now beyond your garbage rating, and have failed to make mage work for 24 seasons prior to BfA.
As for TBC/Wrath, are you really going to try and preach what classes were and were not top tier at the time to someone who lived it at high rating? I know what was and wasn’t broken, and RMP was overpowered for literally the entire period except season 1, where rogue/mage 2v2 was top tier regardless. It was certainly harder to play at the time, though, which is reflected in the fact that you probably couldn’t pass 1500 at the time.
Hate playing against Rogue/Mage for obvious reasons. I also hate playing it. If you somehow botch the opener you are likely to lose as neither the Rogue, nor the mage has any real longevity on their own. Unless the opponent is terrible enough to let you reset, in which case you deserve to win anyway.
Yeah there are no other casters who do a lot of damage right now
No, but other casters have other things going for them
Arguable, considering mages rely more on CC and burst windows than every other caster, they kinda need something to help facilitate that
Shimmer, counterspell, alter time. But yeah those aren’t really used that much anyway, so no big deal if you get locked.
Conveniently ignoring that interrupts are also a thing
It doesn’t instantly kill, it takes 4ish globals to kill someone who doesn’t have any defensives. I agree combustion does too much damage though and have never said otherwise.
There’s plenty of counterplay
It is viable if you make it viable, meaning you actually focus on purging the mage throughout the game instead of just trying to do it when he combusts
We’re at the same rating though?
It’s a pretty decent indication of what is strong at a given point in time
No? This doesn’t even make any sort of sense, at all?
Literally never mained anything but mage in my entire life
Again, we’re at the same rating. I’ve also not played most of those seasons, at all, but hey, keep trying.
Doesn’t really matter when you’re clearly very biased and there’s actual stats that prove you wrong
RMP was not top tier season 7 or 8, and rogue/mage was never top tier in 2v2
Actually missed gladiator by about 20 rating in both season 4 and season 6, kinda sucks, but it is what it is
Im not a great player by any means but here are a couple of tips:
Dont blow everything in the opening, but just enough to get trinket and defensive cds out. After getting the trinket reset by sheeping the dps twice and try to stay close to a pillar so the rogue can shadowstep to you and los.
Mage instant nuke + meteor and then shadowy duel + kidney on a target without trinket is a deadly combination.
Contradictory to all of these “pop cds, win” comments, actually the best way to win against semi-decent players is to NOT use everything in the opener.
Get a sap on one guy if you can, otherwise kidneyshot healer+cheapshot spam kill target. Rogue can invest blades+full burst in the opener against some comps where less won’t do (warriors for example). Your job is to always poly/ring the healer off the rogue’s kidneyshots.
Once you guys identify a “kill window” where a target has no trinket and no defensives they can use in stuns, you will try to stun+bomb or stun+normal cc chain on healer with combustion.
Combustion is the most lethal burst cooldown in the game, and will always net a kill if the target has no defensives up.
Between stun “go’s” you will want to focus on living and avoiding damage, save fire blasts and poly the dps to help you guys get restealths and to avoid damage.
