I hate to break the successful marriage between Fkd and Lukíen, but I’m mostly on Lukíen side here.
Usually when facing russian group / premade, it feels like you’re stuck in place and unable to move. I mean that, russians squeeze out every bit of fun out of the battlegrounds just to have marginal advantage. I had similiar experience like Lukíen in the current brawl, Southshore vs Tarren Mill. This russian group stood in their base just to have guards on their side. Even though we stomped them and managed to snatch the victory, it felt highly frustrating.
I have rarely seen these kind of strategies used by german premades. Usually their tactic is to be more aggressive rather than defensive. Going against germans it still feels like normal match even though you might get absolutely stomped. Similiar scenario with russian premade usually ends with prolonged fight and really dragged out match. The experience is two to three times worse than the quick stomp session.
Then again I think this is more on Blizzards side to fix these obnoxious “strats”.
What you describe sounds like a regular Southshore vs TM brawl. He is claiming it happens to him in arenas as well and only vs Russians, which is pure bs. Especially since he is claiming it happens many times.
Everyone being able to link any recent matches showcasing that is welcome. Wanna bet how many we will see?
So you want to involve Blizzard every time someone plays the way you dislike?
I’ve just had bad experiences against russian premades aswell and the most recent was the brawl. I also have encountered lag issues when facing russians, but I think that can be due to RNG, as anyone can have bad internet connection. The odds are just against them by default. With that I mean their location.
“So you want to involve Blizzard every time someone plays the way you dislike?”
I just find these overly defensive strats really unsportsmanlike even though you’re free to say otherwise. In a scenario where both teams sit on the base results in 30min afk time till draw occurs. I don’t think this is the idea of the brawl. It’s smart thing to do though.
Which everyone experiences in the current brawl, vs literally everyone, it has nothing to do with Russians.
This is just being biased. You can easily check any PvP streamer, nobody is having any issues vs Russians specifically in arena.
This is what people tend to assume, which is absolutely stupid. In order to make this argument valid, you would have to claim literally everyone who is playing on Russian servers, lives in Russia. This is not the case.
Would you say everyone on EN servers lives in GB? Obviously, nobody is going to make this claim.
When it comes to WoW people suddenly seem to believe Russians only exist in Russia.
Some tactics are definitely annoying, this is not what I said tho.
I have explained to you the difference between lying and insulting. But with your intelligence I assume thats also hard to understand
Absolutely, I know exactly which server you logged onto, which kind of routing your ISP provides and therefore I can tell your exact location (Sarcasm if you didnt realise)
With article after article, I assume you havent read them because you are too ignorant to learn?
So if I tell you my age without showing my ID to prove that I am that age am I just lying or MAYBE it is my true age without you knowing
Yeah, if you believe that latency explained is equal to believing the planet is a disc. Maybe you should reconsider your mental capacity again
“This is just an IQ test which you failed” Cant look it up?
Yes because a flat earth compared to a simple networking explanation needs the same amount of theory. Are we even real or are we in the matrix?
Yes because I like to bring up such a thing like this just because of my hatred towards russians. It is not like I want a fair gameplay and not something that in my experience mostly have happened against russians. Too hard for you to grasp?
Yeah you can think this if it will help you sleep at night There is no point in showing you anything because you obviously cant take in information. Typical for idiots but what do I know
LOL you know what happens to old couples
Yeah it might not be all russians who do it either, I am just stating from my experience what it feels like to play vs russians most of the time.
Not only vs russians, CONSISTENTLY vs russians. It happens vs random people aswell sometimes.
EXACTLY my point. They might have a good internet connection and it can be joyful to face them. But default they are further away from the EU servers and will most likely have a higher latency.
This is you being ignorant again. Honestly, read about distance and how it affects latency.
It is not, but if they are playing on russian servers you can assume they are most likely russian. And location MATTERS no matter if you like it or not.
You seem so adamant on that the brawl is really horrid experience. I forgot to add that yes, I only completed one brawl, not much to go on here. I believe you on that regard.
I find it weird that someone would play on russian servers without being russian. Sure, russian person can live in EU and play on the servers. This is why I said lag issues are rng based and doesn’t only include russians. Europeans lag too. I generalized here as I didnt think it being so important to note. To add, I might be biased against russians I do not know for sure.
And no, Blizzard shouldn’t babysit my thoughts and opinions, but I just expressed them. I really do not expect a change happening, even though I wish it.
Wrote on phone so dont mind my typing. 4AM is degenerate hours so I wish you goodnight anyways.
This is not what I said. I said Russians do not live only in Russia. I mean idk where you are from but you can’t tell me you are living in a first world country and you have no people from other countries there?
So you mean only Russian people living in Russia (and not EU Russians) would lag? There are several high ranked Russian players living in Russia and streaming pretty much daily, how come there is no issue there whatsoever?
“This is not what I said. I said Russians do not live only in Russia.”
and I agree.
“So you mean only Russian people living in Russia (and not EU Russians) would lag?”
Anyone can lag, it isn’t based on your nationality.
I see that you like to be exact! I’m just saying that my experience fighting against russians seems to, basing on feels not facts, to be generally bit worse than fighting anyone else. However! I’ve had similiar bad experiences (Lag, annoying strats) with any group german, russian etc.
But now when I think of it, it would be really unfair against russians to get them removed from EU servers. I’m not sure, but I guess they got merged in the first place due to really long queue times, which is understandable.
This is why I’d like battlegrounds to have “negative consequences” if you turtle up or have a way to encourage attacking. It would make facing possible premades less annoying and frustrating. I think this solution would be more healthier for the game rather than to push out certain group of people if I’m the one to be listened here. On the lag note, I really do not have a solution how you’d go about and fix that.
This is correct. EU people should be very thankful for having Russians otherwise WoW PvP would be dead in EU. And I mean dead for real, not like some people tend to whine on forums.
I understand people complain about Russians because Russians have naturally more competitive mindset and don’t just do chill/fun/cap games 24/7. This seems to lead some people being frustrated and claim bs while of course not being able to back it up since it’s obviously just made up bs due to the fact them being frustrated.
Imagine asking to remove thousands of players just because there is one pre made in a random battleground in over 5k+ (probably way more) games played. What an entitled, spoiled and stupid brat would someone have to be?
Thing is like the current brawl is actually bad in general. Servers can’t handle it, regardless where someone lives. Therefore, nobody really cares what’s going on there. This brawl should just be removed in general.
Also, for negative consequences, thinks this through first. Let’s say people who “turtle up” get increased damage. Now we look at Warsong. People who are defending the flag, will just get one shotted. You might say this should not work for Warsong, ok. What happens when some other people suddenly come up with this? Are we just going to hope nobody hears them?
Where will these consequences start and end?
These are barely existing. You know how to check that? Try to get in some, you will find out there are nowhere close as many as you thought.
Sure you might get lucky at some point but that’s an exceptions and not the rule. People don’t bother to make pre mades because it’s annoying and time consuming while most of the time no providing a better result.
It’s like playing RBG with voice. How many RBGs did I play at lower CR people using voice and playing WAY WORSE than some people at higher rating with no voice. People just believe if you are playing with voice, suddenly everyone will play better. It’s naive, at least in WoW.
Thing is, this specific brawl is so irrelevant, it absolutely doesn’t matter to the game at all. This is also why Blizzard doesn’t bother fixing their servers for this specific brawl.
“Imagine asking to remove thousands of players just because there is one pre made in a random battleground”
I actually thought of this yesterday night before going to sleep and was surprised how far this brawl talk went. I actually agree a lot with you Fkd, you can make solid points.
“Where will these consequences start and end?”
It’s really loose thing to determine and mostly would be battleground specific thing. Taking this off top of my head for the brawl; debuff (demoralized) to power/defensive capabilities if standing too long in your own base behind the guards. Would fall off quickly if standing in the middle of the field. Looks good on paper but it can fail in practice and I’m aware of that. It’s band-aid fix and should be properly tested and so on. Oh God that’s wishful thinking! I would vote on the brawl removal too.
I guess we just need to live with that we can find bad apples everywhere, even though it may seem like to be focused on certain people.
They are not premade. Russions can play only with russions. Blizard allows only russians play with russians in the same team then that use bg finder. So you see full team from russian servers but thay are nor premade…
EU players can play with russians only if they in one group.
Problems not in premades, but in AFK honor leechers, if we back for example in pre-mixed epic BGs - this premades lost to random pugs players, thats not AFK. It was not so rare. But nowdays players thats leeching is pathetic. Its fair when they lost games. Most of Russians RL who playing ally side - lost to RU horde pugs in epics, it was 50/50 for them. They can only win if stack tones of healers vs 2-3 pugs healers.
Did they have rogue raid leader? There is one alliance premade sitting 30 minutes on their base. Just report their raid leader for ruining bg. (this rogue also has stream so you can snipe him)
Russians cant win even when premade,and even with all of their cheesy tactics.
People gonna tell you ‘‘its not a premade etc’’ but actually yep it is,because i saw during gravity lapse,15 players from exact same guild from russian server.
They always abuse stuff in pvp,and this time they found a way how to queue as 15 man,even after blizzard made it impossible to join as more than 5 people.
That right there is against the rules and should be banable,because breaking rules is breaking rules,there are no ‘important rules’’ or ‘‘unimportant rules’’ abusing is abusing,and cheating is cheating,no matter what you do.
(Sarcasm if you didnt realise)
