Shadowlands: a budget version of Legion?

so pretty much they gotta remove abusing votekick in hc dungeons
so your new alt cant be kicked for dumb selfish ego reasons
also wtb returning gear drops to m+ and raid

and the dance mechanic on council get linked with healer
you die healer take 0 dmg
can have less idiot/botter/ in pvp and in lfr that doesnt know how to click interrupts

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Worse. In Legion most classes are close to balance ( Rogue after EM patch) , world quests used had a point which is more you get them more powerful you are (artifact Power). And M+ dungeons were great. For now i m watching the game from outside. If they add more fun raids and fixing class balance i may return to the game. It is not fun to play melee class in shadowlands tbh.

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Lmao true…

Reading replies here it seems people want to get showered with loot and do 30 second quests. Legion spoiled people.

lol, that’s not content.

Its the lack of one kill quests, crap rewards and the amount of pointless travel time that kills the motivation of doing WQ’s for me.

Most of the time if i even have motivation to log in i look at the map and see all the boring slow fill the bar quests and i just log off and do something that is actually fun.

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Shadowlands has lot of content but i have zero motivation to do any of it because the ratio of effort and reward is too much on the side of doing boring chore quests that take way too long to do and sometimes there are too many people doing them so there is no mobs to kill for the quest.

Blizzard will never win if they shower people with loot the M+ raid piss babies get angry and if they take all the loot away then people who like being rewarded get mad.

Blizzards main problem is that they can’t keep one system and stick with it refine it and expand it instead of every damn expansion they try to invent wheel again and again making everybody mad.
The loot “problem” is just secondary annoyance.

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That’s exactly what quests had always been. Daily quests never gave gear just gold usually and some sort of currency depending on what faction is was. Legion world quests were ridiculous. Legion and BfA spoiled players.

SL is very similar to BFA they’ve just renamed, as they always do, the systems.

Covenants are Class halls with the ability to choose them. Soulbinds are artifact powers with the greater choice of artifact trees. Renown is artifact power simplified.

Anima is Valor Points by another name.

There’s nothing truly different with SL it’s Legion 3.0 and we are bored with it now. People dont realise this and blame SL, and BfA before it, for not being Legion when it already is, minus the demons.

I don’t really mind the lack of rewards from the quests because i am currently at ilevel that i am happy with which are all form either wq’s or covenant armor but what i really dislike is that there are no more fast wq’s and they are almost all those slow boring fill the bar quests.

I just hope that the upcoming patches bring out more actual fun stuff to do in open world and i really hope that it doesn’t involve Maw or choreghast.

Lot of people bash bfa but me personally i had lots of fun doing open world in it and especially nazjatar and mechagon and i do hope SL will have places like those coming in upcoming patches.
Also even if isles were a letdown i had more fun doing those and warfronts than torghast that only has one color scheme brown and more brown.

have you seen epic bgs rated bg and brawls
which side has the less honor leecher/bot will win
and lets not start with trash on lfr
noone interrupts anything and thats a big repair bill
sorry but its hard to not be criticising when this happens

Report them. They only stay because people would rather rage quit than do something. If all PvP bots got kicked they’d stop doing it because it would be a waste of their time.

Welcome to WoW PvE or PvP.

Hah yeah your logic is so true. You can get showering in BoE bis items if you have money. Simply the game is currently pay to win. You need boost on PvP or M+? No problem there are boosters exist. Also we are pointed out class balances and world quests.

Your statement is not valid. LOL to you btw.

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it’s like ordering Legion from wish

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you think reports will actually do something ?
even rated bgs are full of ppl freeloading for the vault
this is ruining the fun

Better yet, you pay for it.

I was gonna say the same

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No but the stuff they’d have to implement to then reward the player with these things would be.

I’m not a game designer I ain’t gonna pretend I know what content should go in there. I just know what I’d personally like to get out of the maw.

It also creates alt friendlyness. Which increases the longevity a player will play the game for.

While handing casual players a objective.

Maw world bosses, story quests, daily activities (I dunno Maw turns into a massive raid for a hour or 3 of forsworn attacking venaris camp)

World events have always been a strong staple to get people involved if they could implement good ones

If there were events and rewards going on in there it’d add to the player activity.

All I’m hearing is “daily chores to force players to play when blizzard wants and not when you want”.

It’s perfectly gonna cut it. It’s a virticle progression game you should outlevel things and u shouldn’t be held to base content.

We just have very different wants for our time

I wanna log on maybe spend half hour on some open world and then go spam m+ for my relaxing afternoon.

You want 1600 enforced grind cycles in the open world.

We won’t agree on this.

I didnt care about suramar. Just a daily grind I had to Do

I didn’t like the order halls, time gated mission table crap 3/4s of em were boring AF and eventually just felt like a unlock you were forced to do to have a alt.

Yeah cosmetics I can agree with.

WQs are terrible emissaries aren’t great either

Professions quests in a game they murdered professions in is counterproductive

10 m+ dungeons sure. But half of them were garbage.

The game got so degenerate people offered free boosts if players provided specific keys cause they didn’t wanna push their own.

I think simply different strokes for different folks

I find open world stuff boring. And I don’t miss it.

Things I want back from legion

Would be class relevant powers (artifact weapons)
More cosmetical rewards
Mage tower.

Peeps: Why don’t Blizz give us a reason to revisit old zones and make them relevant again

Also peeps: Why you re-use content Blizz?!

Honestly I wish they would use old content.

The reason the game feels small often is because they disgard old content entirely.

BFA offered alot of potiental for reusing old zones and things as war sites and more. Yet simply didn’t

Of course they are…PVPers wanted to make PVE players suffer, having to do PVP. …then discovered to their horror, that PVE players were minimising the time wasted in PVP, by not actually fighting, to speed-up the process and claim the reward. Efficient gaming is the meta.
Always be very careful what you wish for…otherwise you may not like it when it actually arrives.

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Enough reports will kick someone for the PvP instance and they will get a debuff.