Shadowmeld is next on the chopping block

You can’t take me serious because you don’t understand the more complex ways to use Shadowmeld? Okay…

Did you know you can immune a spell if you time Shadowmeld? This was my point exactly - that Shadowmeld takes skill TO USE IT TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL … but ofc it’s not complicated if you reduce it to a simple Shadowmeld → stealth macro…

Also, being able to clear EVERY bleed/disease/poison/magic effect when you’re fighting a feral or assa or affli lock or unholy dk etc. is absolutely as good as being able to re-stealth! Why do you think there are so many Dark Iron Dwarves at high rating?

So you agree there are more ways than the simple and extremly gamechaning op ones that i mentioned? cool!
And i was actually about to give what you said as an example too. But i though my example sufficed as proof of how OP shadowmeld is. Glad we agree.

come one man… Its like comparing pushing a button with, lifting a cover and THEN pushing a button. Yeah its harder, but its still not hard to meld a coil or stormbolt. Silly.

However, the “skill” it takes to utilize the racial is not really the topic here, nor of any relevans. Shadowmeld is OP compared to the other racials, and be it “skill required” or not. Doesn’t matter.

Shadowmeld is now a 2 minute cooldown ability that removes all threat, causes NPC’s to stop attacking you and limits the radius from which you can be detected for 6 seconds.

so like feign death + mind soothe baked together

personally i dont think meld is that op (it certainly wont stop u from getting 2,4k), but I do agree that racials should be disabled in rated pvp

Damn you are daft. You continue living in your own little world

Im daft?
Let me say it again. Why do you think HALF of the top 100 players play Night elf? Is it a coincidence?

We dont agree on sh**… and the top players will reroll whatever race has a 0.01% advantage. That doesn’t say anything about whether or not Shadowmeld is too strong or not.

Also, Night Elf is generally an extremely popular race, so many will play it even if it had mid racials.

I don’t see how it bothers you so much, that a different race is now the go-to. Before DF there were some stealth class players who played nelf, but there were still mostly orcs cause Hardiness was so broken. And everyone else who wasn’t a stealth class played orc guaranteed! Now orc is low A-tier and people get to play something different for once…. Get over yourself

its honestly crazy that you’re serious. Im actually chuckeling while reading your text. :sweat_smile: . Whatever man. I get it. You are night elf and you really REALLY dont want them nerfed. Happy new year, dude.

Why don’t we all just play the same character, with the same name and same abilities?

World of Boxcraft - the new and exciting game where you unlock everything instantly and if someone else killed you, it isn’t because they have better stuff… it’s because they are better!

In a world with this much variety, there is always going to be something that sits right at the top, and dog mess that sits right at the bottom.

This is why every other match in 2s is Rogue, Mage and every single 3s team has a Preservation Evoker in it.

I choose to take the 0.00001% disadvantage vs other healers because I enjoy playing Mistweaver.

I still find groups.
I still win games.
I still have fun.

While you’re crying about Shadowmeld.
And then you’ll cry about escape artist.
And then you’ll cry about Regeneratin’.

When does it end? It ends when players like you have reduced the game to a series of non-descript polygons because you don’t like that someone has elected to choose an easier path than you.

Either be a badass and play something off-meta, or roll an evoker. Either way just be quiet please, others are trying to enjoy themselves.

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Is it wrong to ask for balance? Not asking for everything to be homogenized. Only balanced, my friend. Don’t strawman me.

I’m not strawman-ing you.

I’m demonstrating how this argument ends.

No matter how you think you’d be able to perfectly balance each of the racials out, there will always be one that takes the top position, and the meta slaves in the top 100 will abuse the 0.1% advantage it gives them.

“Just balance them” isn’t an argument. No means, no method. Just shouting over each other.

What is the best thing that could happen in your opinion?

If your answer starts with “Nerf Shadowmeld”, please reconsider.

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Can I answer the question or shall we wait, till he tries?

Open forum, fire away.

Ok i will say, disable racials in pvp. Because like you said nerf one automatically makes another OP/strongest.

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Yes you did strawman me. I never asked for homogenization. But you phrased your very first sentence as if i asked for that, in a condecending manners too.

True. But im also not just basing this of off whats in the top, eventho that kind of statistic is overwhelmingly evident that something is stronger than the others. Im basing it of experience. The amount of matches i could have won if enemy rogue wasn’t night elf so he got an extra vanish is PLENTY. The amounts of matches lost because enemy healer could emergency drink on the dot, when his DPS had some defensives to spare; while my healer had to wait until he gets out of combat. Its not just something small like escape artist, as used from another author as an example. No. We’re talking racials that completely concludes the outcome of the match. Thats an issue.

I gave example of changes that could balance the ability. Why comment if you didn’t bother to read the thread?

Remove racials. Its an RPG and to me, and i want race to be about how my character looks. Thats MY opinion. But if racials have to stay, make them less prominent in terms of power. By a lot.

No. I didn’t strawman you, because I wasn’t talking to you.

I get your point with vanishes. I know having extra vanishes is a strong ability and is picked up by a lot of players because it is easy and suits their classes. I play Panda not because I love the amazing aesthetic of being a fat animal, but because I like the extra CC and it allows me to set up paralaysis/palm into sleeps.

I enjoy having racials. It adds something back into the game that I think is missing - Identity mostly.

I like racials. You don’t. Seems that is all there is to it.

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My main is a dwarf, actually. I just cba swapping forum character

Do you go right back to crying that orc isn’t bis anymore once you’re done chuckling? Or is it a gradual transition?

Well there you go. You don’t wanna play pandaren, but you feel compelled to.

It adds identity to the game? I’d argue it does the opposite. Most ppl pick out of what racial they want, not what race they wanna play. So the identity is the racial, not the race. Heck, some ppl even pick the opposite of the FACTION they wanna play, just because of racial.

Correct. At least not the way they are designed atm.

I have 4 different characters i play. This is the only orc.

This has been my standpoint for years.

You’ve been complaining about Shadowmeld for years? Sheesh. Get a different hobby