You can blind into restealth into sap into reopening with new stuns, and the priest now has lower hp and no trinket.
Blinding a target after a stun trinket is so basic rogue gameplay that I dont even know what to tell you. You sound really low skill.
The OP is a troll SP, so mentioning shadowguard is completely fair. Between SWD, void plague, SWP and shadowguard the rogue will 100% die to instant casts, and u will get blackout procs. You cant lose that duel as a troll unless you are really bad.
If you’re alliance and care about PvP, then you are dwarf. In which case u stoneform, desperate prayer live as long as u can before u disperse and then survive to the next fear or the rogue dies to dots. You can probably dot a rogue for 60-75% of his hp, u have great passive reduction vs physical dmg and u have the best defensive CD in the game currently (Dispersion) on a TWO MINUTE CD. What more do u want rofl?
i’d remove stealthers from the game entirely, and at the same time you’d remove the the mentality of " i can only win if i get the jump on someone, preferably while they are fighting a mob or two" people, they that type are just losers IRL who need an unfair advantage in a game to compete.
You have the best defensive CD in the game on a 2 min CD, on a class that was already really good in vanilla. You also have over twice as much instant DOT damage, and much higher burst with SWD and mind spike.
You dont need more survivability, you need to l2p.
Casters are GIGA broken right now, and you’re whining while literally every melee is completely screwed in PvP. Unbelievable.
Priest is in a really good spot, survivability is great. You can sustain rogue for a good while even without dispersion. Key is stacking stamina gear instead spell power as much as possible. Don’t wine if you are sub 2k hp and getting your a** whooped, problem is you.
Kidney and eyes share cooldown m8. Eat cheapshot, trinket or disperse kidney shot/eyes. Fear, dot, win. Stack some stam gear. Dont think that your bfd pve set is any good in open world. I love to attack those pve andys with 1000hp and oneshot them
Most inefficient use of blind I’ve ever seen, most priests won’t be able to hardcast, due to you being right next to them to kick and there is barely a reason to blind unless you got feared further than you could react to. Either you use blind to reset the stun combo which is inefficient, to “interrupt” a ranged cast or for bandage toolkit. Literally how it works.
Too bad Blackout is an RNG, so the loss is very unlikely for the troll. Making rogue a literal hard fight for UD/NE/Human without any counterplay is peak BS.
Mutilate, BtE, QD, Shadowstep nerfs, having “the best defensive CD” doesn’t even remotely compare to ranged stun/slow/mobility ontop of a hard hitting 40 energy spam ability.
Warrior = u are right
Hunter = If Evasion is on CD, the chance u get beaten by a cat is very hight, but it could go either way.
Warlock = Meta is unkillable
Mages = by fare the easiest target right now.
Priest = u need perfect timing with all your stuns, its not a free win. one mistake against a SP and u are dead.
Druids = u are right
Shamans = biggest problem are orc shamans cuz of the stun resistance. Tank Shamans are scary, feels like u do no dmg.
Paladin = 100 - 0 in one stun, no matter the race. if a paladin has not all cd’s rdy, it is easier, like no lay on hands for example. Im always surprised by the dmg palas can do.
Rogues are not weak. But at SOD P2, its not like classic. Rogues would be way stronger if there were any P2 endgame swords to play hemo in pvp. But a rogue who knows how to play his class, can beat anyone, except for meele hunters maybe. At lvl 40 u dont get always ur 5 cp KS (depends ofc if u playing Assa or Sub), this makes a big diffrence in fights for rogues. And dont speak about KS and BTW as they were two diffrent stuns, they share the same CD. 5 of 8 defently can survive a rogue attack, they not always will, but they can. Maybe im a litte biased, due to the fact im playing rogue myself, but i think rogues are balanced in p2. U are not automatically top of the meter in pve and u cant one-shot somebody in pvp, except for maybe a mage with 1k hp.
CS > Muti x2 > BtE, Stick to priest, trinket fear, kick casts, you win. There isn’t much else to it especially with SWD nerfs when it should’ve been Mutilate nerfs.
I play paladin and even then rogues do not do that to these ones, dwarfs make that matchup easier due to stoneform for the blind. Freedom for crippling. BoP/Bubble breaks Gauge. The damage of pallys is unfortunately inconsistent with SoC.
Let’s nerf Mutilate first before we go down that route, you don’t even need hemo for literally 7/8 classes in the game, outside of Metalock, bear druids and tank shamans.
Didn’t even mention that at all, CS and BtE are different, nobody uses KS due to the defensive values being there then, BtE is literally miss only.
Not the issue, the damage output from Mutilate ontop of the CC ranged spam from QD/BtE and mobility from Shadowstep makes rogues use less CDs.
There is a difference between countering a class and being able to actually respond in any meaningful way.
Any class ‘should’ be able to beat another class if played with skill and/or taking advantage of mistakes, However… there is no ‘counterplay’ vs a rogue with wotf/trinket. If a rogue has either of those and removes a priests fear instantly, A priest cannot do anything, not a single thing to outlive that rogue.
Everyone needs more survivability. Then they can revert the nerfs to boomie that turned it into a meme, they can stop killing any more specs in the future, and we can all go back to having fun.
Pain Suppression last 8 sec, so u cant stun a SP for the full duration, dots dont need a cast, so u cant kick them. I dont think we need to waist our time and pretend a SP is defenseless in SOD P2. There is a reason u find more SP during a bloodmoon event than Stranglethorn Tigers.
If u want to nerf Muti, can u explain how i should play my rogue in P2? There are no swords go get, items have +dagger at set bonus. If Muti were still 60 energy, there were no way u could stun somebody and therefore rogues would be a free kill for everyone. What exactly do u want to nerf, as u say one-shot is not the issue, so i cant be the dmg, right?
SPs wont kill you based off dots and SWD only, especially with this nerfed one, 1 hard cast is needed to make it even worthwhile to use SWD as a finisher, perfect time to kick.
Otherwise SP dies to whatever is bashing them.
Maces/Swords, but I doubt you want to go back to Saber Lash, you still get 2 decent swords from a. Ashenvale rep revered, its a lvl38 sword, SM questchain and from the RFD quest. There’s also an epic sword in gnomeregan.
So much exaggeration left right and centre , how is shadow priest dying to anything that’s bashing them, what are you guys smoking? Are we even playing the same game? SP is one of the hardest classes to kill.
In STV anybody would take a SP over a rogue all day long.
Only reason why ppl get evaporated is because you play in full spell power gear with intellect and spirit enchants, paired with few fresh Gnomergan cloth set pieces with - stamina.
How about you think what you can do to get better, optimise your gear before you come on the forums and demand nurfs/buffs etc