Spells coming off GCD in SL

[Ishayoe-frostmane (Ishayoe)]

@Barry-the-shatar

not at all, im basing it off of the fact that the world building doesnt make any sense

“No, but actually ”

Don’t do that to me. It’s annoying. Just say that you agree when you do.

@Barry-the-shatar

if that was the case then aff lock wouldnt have had the majority of the talents be dead for the majority of bfa, there was basically a single talent set up that was run for everything for the entire expansion and then some small tweaks were made in 8.3

so that type of logic is applied to everything, i have the keymaster achievement and i cant get invited to 10+ pugs because im a warlock, because even though i have the raiderio score and i am clearly more than capable of doing this content im a warlock which is bad in dungeons and therefore im not good enough for them.

Playing how you like is not the same thing as picking things at random.

These dead talents occur for a combination of 3 reasons:

1. It’s extremely easy to get away from them
2. They are not more fun than the other options - or maybe even not fun at all
3. They are not more powerful than the other options - or maybe downright weak.

In the case of talents there is literally 0 lore and story behind the existence. It just kindda exists just because. With no story or lore coolness to justify it, only the mechanical feel and power means anything.

The thinner and worse the lore, the more stock people put in the mechanics of it.

@Barry-the-shatar

the covenent class abilities are designed in the exact same manner that talents are, an earlier example i gave shows 2 of the ones mages have are designed the exact same as 2 talents that other classes have/use to have. and this is why they should be swappable,

The abilities themselves are extremely covenant-themed. Saying they’re functionally just like another ability I mean… okay? The same applied to loads of the Azerite necklace abilities, too.

You get the Artifact weapon power. Then afterwards it becomes a core class spell. Was it any less of a class spell beforehand, or is this rule selectively applied here?

@Barry-the-shatar

would you be okay with them telling you that you had to pick talents at the start of the expansion and then go through a 2 day quest thing in order to swap talents? i wouldnt expect so, because its insane and terrible design and yet for some reason people are set on removing access to other talents for no reason.

I would be. When I started playing WoW you couldn’t respec at all. That’s a staple of the RPG genre - the notion that you make choices that make you the kind of hero you end up becoming.

I can see why respeccing is needed. I can see why it exists. However, just unlocking everything all the time is not very deep gameplay at all. Indeed, the ability to swap between abilities this frequently has honestly had me thinking about whether this system even makes sense to have. Why don’t we just have all of it all the time? What’s the harm in that? We’re limited by GCD’s and/or resources so we can’t use it all all the time anyway.

@Barry-the-shatar

covenants should be aesthetic and for story, there is absolutely no reason to be locking so much player power behind them, the story and aesthetics are enough to make it an important choice.

What’s the point if the story is so weak?

@Cuacuack-archimonde

The question is about SL beta .

If you spike so hard actually is because of Frenzy, magus , bloodlust and Corruptions who help pet to does incredible machinegun damage but half of it will be gone or in a different talent .

And yes, Uh need a very long times on SL to start doing damage, Lucid loss is hard and we got even more stuff to press .

Dont see a single GCD change when you get slow down in every way possible is a trully kick in the butt when Frost get their two spell remove of it , even more when people who dont trully understand the specs try to tell us how it works.

No offense to you of course.

Okay, two things - even judging by beta logs, you’re wildly exaggerating.

But let’s assume you’re right. Explain to me the problem with DK’s ramping damage over time by summoning minions instead of just heading up to the target and beating it over the head like Frost would?

Because as far as I’m concerned, the gameplay of just running up to people and beating them up without too much ramp-up is how Frost works. Why not play Frost?