Mine died after seeing this cinematic
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Player base: “You cannot kill hope.”
Danuser: “Burn it!”
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Arthas was alive and undominated, when he picked up Frostmourne of his own free will… Sylvanas was already dead, when she managed to break Arthas’ total domination control of her banshee form, during Illidan’s attack on the Frozen Throne…but part of her was still held by Frostmourne, just like Uther.
Now, we do not know how many the Mawsworn destroyed, because it wasn’t all done in front of us in one hit, like Teldrassil…however, we do know they invaded all four realms of the Shadowlands that we visited and they were the enforcers in the Maw, not to mention the enormous number of other Shadowlands realms we can see gateways to, but have not visited.
So Uther’s crimes could actually be vast.
Anduin was the key to Zovaal’s escape and we do not yet know, what is happening at the end of this story.
You speak as I’d he’d known what the sword would do to him. He knew it was cursed, but he picked it up to get revenge for his people and to protect Lordaeron. That act in itself wasn’t evil. I doubt he’d had picked up the sword of he’d known exactly what it’d do to him and what it’d make him do.
So again, why exactly did he deserve to be obliterated while Sylvanas is likely going to be just fine?
I honestly don’t think we’ll agree on this, so I suggest we leave it at that.
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We actually do not know that at the moment.
Arthas was given Frostmourne by a dead orc in Icecrown, shouldn’t take a genius to work out that he was going to be controlling the undead as the ‘solution’ to his problem.
In fact it’s interesting that Ner’zhul appeared to be more independently minded than Arthas, despite wearing all that Domination kit first… although again this may have been manipulation by Zovaal.
We know Zovaal could take greater control of Anduin when it suited him, in fact he seems to be entertained by toying with his dominated minions.
As I have stated before it’s not that Arthas deserved to be obliterated, it’s the fact he wasn’t strong enough to resist obliteration.
Erm, no? He didn’t meet Ner’zhul until he went to Icecrown, and he’d never heard of him until he became a Death Knight. All he knew is that the blade was cursed, but he was willing to take the risk if it meant saving his people and avenging them. He couldn’t possibly had known what the sword actually did, nor what the actual cost of picking it up would be.
If he had picked up the blade knowing what it’d do to him and even wanting to get power to just kill everyone including his own people, then I’d agree that he was utterly evil by his own free will. But hats not what happened.
Ner’zhul told him how to obtain Frostmourne from a cave at the base of Icecrown and the revenant guardians tried to warn him…same difference.
Ner’zhul wasn’t the one who told him about Frostmourne. Muradin was.
Wowpedia says and I quote:
‘In time, Ner’zhul would guide Arthas Menethil to Frostmourne in order to make the young paladin his champion.’
You forgot to add: ‘In my opinion.’
Just sayin’.
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It’s meant in the context that Ner’zhul indirectly brought Arthas to Frostmourne by manipulating the circumstances through Kel’thuzad and Mal’ganis. He was able to see the future and plan ahead. But he didn’t directly lead Arthas to the blade. Arthas had no contact with Ner’zhul before he picked up Frostmourne.
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I don’t know if it helps or anything, but GNU Arthas Menethil
Ner’zhul whispers to him from Frostmourne…before he touches it…after defeating the Guardian Revenant.
So, that’s one cursed sword…and one bloke wielding that cursed sword…against the entire Scourge army.
That should have given him pause for thought.
There is no plaque saying: ‘This cursed sword will defeat the entire Scourge army and save Lordaeron’
Most people would think that was a good enough reason, not to pick it up…but no…Arthas decides he can ‘bear any curse’…Even when he doesn’t know what the curse is… and the Guardian Revenant has told him, that the Revenants are trying to protect Arthas from the sword, not the other way round…plus Muradin also tells him of the rune warning on the blade.
Uther or Sylvanas died without arrogantly picking up cursed weapons, on the assumption that somehow that would defeat the Scourge.
Do you have a source on this? Because I don’t remember Arthas hearing any whispers before he took up the sword. I remember him starting to hear Ner’zhul’s whispers after he picked the sword up.
Arthas was blinded by desire to avenge his people and defeat Mal’ganis. His hubris and desperation made him make this decision. He knew that the Scourge surrounded their camp and that they were pressed from all sides. He thought the sword would save them, and that it’d be worth the risk.
Does this mean it was a good decision at the time? Debatable. But you can’t say he made this choice out of evil or damning intentions. He wanted to use the sword to save his people. But he walked right into Ner’zhul’s (Or Zovaal’s) trap.
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Literally huh?
I’d hate to be in a room with you if your fart clouds look like that.
I said Arthas arrogantly made a conscious choice to wield a cursed blade… Uther and Sylvanas were not given a choice, they were killed by a cursed weapon that removed a sliver of their soul, being part of Arthas’ Domination equipment.
Anduin specifically references: ‘the choice you never had’ to Sylvanas, in Torghast.
But that doesn’t excuse Sylvanas being spared and Arthas being obliterated from existence.
But let’s take another example. Kel’thas did arguably just as bad things (Basically being ready to see Azeroth destroyed in exchange for power), and yet he ended up in Revendreth and is getting redeemed. Arthas was denied this due to Uther, but it was still horrible to just see him be reduced to a mere sliver of a soul and vanish while Sylvanas threw stones in a glass house.
If Arthas’s story was over and he needed to disappear, then so too should Sylvanas.
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The Maw obliterated most of Arthas’ soul due to Uther’s actions…all that was left was the sliver in Anduin’s Domination blade, Kingsmourne …it’s the reverse of Uther and Sylvanas, where they got back the sliver to add to themselves.
That is why Arthas was just a flicker that went out… it’s also why Uther and Sylvanas did not experience the same thing. It was not the scale of the crimes, that were responsible.
Oh I’m quite aware. I mainly blame the writers for this. How they’ve handled both Arthas and Sylvanas was most unsatisfying in my opinion.
If everyone got a redemption arc, there would be little point in having villains.