This pretty much and as other have said… The way they explained it to us how HE did everything and fooled everyone is by itself very poor… BUT the execution of the super big, calculating villain was beyond terrible. It just never was interesting nor did we see him much beyond hes evil voice: all will end… He was never a force to be afraid off from player point of view either. Don’t forget the whole Sylvanas was controlled and never was free ruined her whole arc from warcraft 3 till now in one line. lol gratz
It’s all like… what ever… I just don’t care anymore.
The biggest problem for me if we look past 9.2 is the book. I hoped for forces rising on Azeroth and things changed while we were away or just in general updates to the races native to Azeroth are fairing or are there new alliances maybe? Just completely nothing. How boring can you go?
The lore is really dead at this point… they didn’t even bother to give us little hooks or small previews what is looming… we were just in the SL the whole time, hanging around… walking by a few brokers… nothing is happening
Simple, none of this has much bearing on Azeroth in general. I honestly want to know how the end of the 4th war affected Azeroth, will undercity be cleansed? will teldrasil regrow? whats happening to all the new allied races?
The alliance now has a space ship with a death laser of light fully crewed by an army of light infused space goats? and a race of shadow manipulating elves and cyberpunk 77 gnomes? The horde has what? magic not night elves, moose horned Tauren and gypsy fox people?
Depends what you’re talking about. You may say the writing is Horde-driven, sounds about true. However the story’s outcomes generally favour the Alliance. The Horde almost always loses - its only victories are won through treachery and mostly consist in a psychopath warchief genociding stuff. I’d gladly trade that sort of attention for something else.
Knowing the fact that every time Horde wins everybody else is dead, it is normal that Alliance win in the end. Because if they make Horde win, WoW become WoH.
And have a look at Wow “history” and tell me, when did Alliance won a victory against Horde? SoO was Alliance helping Horde. Purge of dalaran was against some blood elves. SoU was Alliance falling in Sylvanas’ trap. Dazar’Alor was against Zandalari, not Horde, and even then Alliance had to deceive troll army, and run when they returned.
Horde story suck because they don’t want to make Alliance win not even once. I would have traded SoO and Garrosh becoming a villain with some victories for Alliance in Ashenvale and Hillsbrad. Garrosh (pre-MoP) was the best Warchief, so far.
That’s very simplistic. Purge of Dalaran happened due to the context of faction war in Pandaria.
Still a win for the Alliance. And “You’ve won nothing” was only half true. Sylvanas lost nothing. The Horde lost much - one of its two major footholds in EK.
Wrong. The purpose of the Battle of Dazar’alor was to sabotage the relationship between the Zandalari and the Horde, and prevent the Horde from gaining access to the Zandalari’s military. It ended with the Horde losing its credibility as a reliable protector, the Golden Fleet sunken, the capital rampaged, the King dead, the new Queen made unpopular from the get-go. Gigantic loss for the Horde.
You can add to that the Battle for Stromgarde, Battle for Darkshore… I think I can even recall Nathanos saying something like “We’re losing on every front” by the end of BfA. And obviously, the expansion ends with another warchief overthrown, and we’re to “cleanse” the Horde from inside. Once again.
True, that sucks. Believe me though, that’s equally frustrating Horde-side, to know that the Horde is not actually autonomous and regularly needs the Alliance to act as its safeguard. It creates a very asymmetrical relationship.
During Vanila, TBC and WotLK Blizzard tried to “calm down” Horde, continuing the idea from WC3 of a changed, peaceful, shamanistic Horde. Then, during Cata, they obliterated everything they conquered. And Blizzard realized that this is what Horde players liked. Honestly, when Horde attacked Lor’danel and me, as an undead rogue said to night elf civilians “surrender and you will not be harmed” was very out of character for Horde. OK, a tauren paladin would be “in character”, but not anybody from any other race.
I remember that if not for “Jaina can now freeze the plague” deus ex machina, almost everybody died there. Didn’t look like a victory for Alliance to me. And that “muzzle the dog”, and Anduin doing exaclty that, filled me with victory triumph. The fact that now Undercity is plagued, is just a “cenarion circle found a way to cleanse plague” away. Unlike Teldrassil…
I can agree to that … When I will see it in game. Did you notice that all Horde victories are in game but Alliance ones are in books and in Q&A’s?
Well, we still need some devs to remember what “happened” in the last expansions. To not retcon the lore with the start of each expansion. And somebody stop “the rule of Cool”. That was the most stupid idea of Metzen.
If the quest stories are smaller and more independent, even that becomes less important. Let’s face it, continuity in WoW is dead and buried. The best we can hope for now is cool little new stories that don’t violate its corpse too much which is most easily done by just not referencing it. And even if they mess up here or there, it becomes less important if the stories themselves are less important. Give me 20 5-quest-chains from 20 from devs working on their own over one 100-quest-chain worked on by all of them at once any day. At least in WoW.
I only ever really have bad things to say about the lore nowadays. I’d love to really get into it, learm and discuss things. But like it was previously stated in the thread. When all the interesting lore was all Thanos’s fault. Be it intentional or thousand monkeys on a type writer method. It destroys all sort of tension or intrigue that things used to have.
I can look at any character now, and just assume as long as they were even touched by a warlock or something similar, then there is split souls and everything is dismissed.
Like the recent cutscene (SPOILERS) But if split souls is a thing, and being dominated is a thing, then why is arthus seen as the badguy now? Can we also say arthus did nothing wrong because split soul mumbo jumbo?
It’s like when they did time travel. And suddenly you can pull alternate timeline/reality characters from the neater without the whole Time dragons supposedly watching over it.
Why is sourfang and mufasa there, when one was supposed to be vaporised by fel and the other should be in the maw.
This whole expansions plot line just does one of two things for me.
It opens tons of plot holes I can’t feel comfortable just dismissing.
Or it removes any sort of agency the world actually has.
I kind of wanted thanos to win here. Because it makes more sense that he does. A guy who has somehow mastermined these thousands of consistent plots and schemes and people and bla bla bla. Suddenly loses because and elf shot a paperclip at him and yelled “I will never serve” Despite serving for the past… 12ish years? That one line, just makes me cringe every time I hear it. I don’t want to think of exploring and explaining future lore and expansions, when I can’t even explain or explore this one because everything is a super secret plan!
WHO THE HELL IS THE JAILER?! What’s his side of the story. If there are infinite afterlives why are millions of souls sent to these 4, which have the land mass of about a mile each. Are we ever going to address the fact all spiritual beliefs in wow is now defunct? Are ghosts just free to walk around the regular world while Kyrian spirit healers or do they just not do there job half the time. If there’s no double death, how do you kill a ghost. If there’s infinite afterlives, why isn’t there a shadowshadowlands. If you die in shadowland and become fuel destroying your very existance as you become fuel for the machine of death, how do the maldraxxi keep resurecting themselves. Or do you become a random critter. If your die, you’re gone for good. Then why don’t the people in the maw just neck themselves and end the infinite torment if it’s possible to diedie.
Sorry bout the tangent rant.
She should have swung. Replace her existence with that soulcage we carry round, nothing would have changed. And people would have gotten some good vibes from finally seeing her get some sort of consequences. Give her the ol’ little nicky treatment.