It’s my right to create a topic and discuss how I feel Uda. I’m sorry if you have sunk so far into the degeneracy of Mythic Plus that this behaviour is normal and excusable to you but I haven’t. I don’t need to make a point and I’m not hurt. I’m frustrated.
Spending hundreds of hours with DPS being in the wrong spec and having to leave the dungeon to change talents, falling to their deaths to a know bug in Dawnbreaker that’s been there for nearly 2 years, random 2-3 minute disconnects and usually 5 minutes idling at the start of the dungeon waiting for everyone to get there and me having a UI problem is where they draw the line
As a tank I mostly don’t listen to people like that. I take general comments or advise as it is, but shouting people I just ignore. If they go toxic I even /ignore them, not because I can t handle it, but since it distracts me and I don’t want to give them any attention.
It’s one of the reasons I don’t do Mythic, because every group I’ve ever had the misfortune of being in has been elitist and frankly, obnoxious. One group kicked me because I was busy fighting and not chatting!!!
Do you think it might kinda be both of your guy’s fault, atleast to an extent?
And by that i dont mean that you all are in the wrong, aint nothing as black and white as that. You couldve checked the ui, general updates often do that, but its not big enough to put you in the wrong, though you did neglect a possibility, and are therefor not entirely out of the blame, wether intentionally or not, you caused a full wipe in keys where that alone can result in a failure.
On the opposite side they are unneccesarily forcing the failure. It was likely still timeable with perfect play, not that they should be forced to have to be flawless but that is push keys, its the point. And of course the behaviour is a mute point, anyone endorsing the words said have lost the plot so i wont get into it.
But there as valid arguments to be made on both sides. So for now the only thing that need to be rightfully critisized are the words used, not neccesarily the actions as i could reasonably see both sides, especially as a fellow healer player.
In some dungeons there are quite a lot of big white swings this time around.
Ecodome is interesting in this regard as in the section between 1st and 2nd Boss as tank you get absolutely pummeled if you pull big.
When i was on my Hunter i was a bit angry at tanks for pulling big and dying - when i went there on tank i realised why they were getting obliterated.
Stuff really Hurts on those trash packs even more then in Halls
And even if you knwo this DPS go crazy about "OMG just pull more " even if you know you cannot handle it yet - they will pull for you and wipe the group
You have never walked down the street and have some crazy guy call you slurs for no reason? Yeah… it happens… sometimes. As often as you find some crazy guy in a dungeon. Its a universal constant.
And because that it will absolutely never bother me. And of course I will never, EVER talk to my friends saying: “Oh look at the citizens of XY city. They are ALL crazy guys.”
That is literally what you did. With a title saying:
“Such a pleasant COMMUNITY that is M+”. Well that COMMUNITY are the 99 runs you did with no problems. And you are putting them ALL in the same bag as that 1 crazy guy.
Would you like me to do the same with your city? I can search some stats online, see that there is at-least ONE robbery in the past 5 years and il start calling you and everyone in that city a criminal.
Would that make you feel better?
So again. WHY does this bother you in a game? If it does, then its not that much of a problem from the crazy guy, but yours. If you get this worked up by 1/100 crazy dude… you got some self-esteem problems to be honest.
Especially because you got tools to ignore that person as if he never existed. I wish I could do that with random crazy people in the street you know… Or a few of my “colleagues” at work.
And its my right to say its a stupid topic. Especially when you insult a whole COMMUNITY because of ONE incident you had (and admitted to have).
Well, it is the mechanic of that pack. If you don’t CC them, then they will shield the pull and it will last 3 times longer to kill them.
You have two options:
Kite them. DPS will not be happy, but their attacks will no longer be in sync.
Pull smaller, so that you can survive a global.
The third option used by many people, is to blame others for the tank dying. That is not an option for me.
Alright, I might not have covered every scenario for dying, but it is obvious that this wouldn’t be the tanks fault. That’s like running into the tank with a targeted boss mechanic. Or ninja pulling.
Yup, you got me. I haven’t covered these two.
Unless it’s a warrior tank and none of the above applies, then nah, tank has to manage.
That part in particular is actually the DKs fault, as he should have positioned in a way to not get sync hit by every mob once they come out of CC. In that case you should be standing farther away from the group only being in effective range of fewer enemies, but still in death strike range.
It does kind of apply to every tank: You need to be prepared that there will be a spike in damage when a CC duration ends.
I am not sure if I agree with this one. How is it “tank’s fault” if a DPS ninja pulls extra? Especially if its in the “worst possibly timing” = aka I doubt any dps actually follows if I got any defensive CDs ready or anything.
Should I just ignore it as a (tank) and let the old rule “you pull it = you tank it” work out…with the obvious result of whining dps screaming “Agro! Agro! Agro! Agro!” in your ears?
there is a lot of ways those spikes can be avoided though .
starting with dps bursting down packs before stuff happens
followed by dps actually using their aoe ccs instead mindlessly aoeing and hoping that tank will do everything
followed by caster dps starting to interupt the caster adds so they they groups up instead being in africa
and interupt interupt interupt - that interupt button is there for a reason
but reality of pugs is that most pugs want to just aoe brust bruteforce through everything . and screw the tank he shoudl be able to just survive - and if he cant - well thats his fault
My point is it didn’t require perfect play. We were at the first pull of the dungeon in a resilient key that we could have just restarted?!
I’m not going to reply to this anymore as if you can’t comprehend that I didn’t deserve verbal abuse because of this I don’t know what would convince you. Just remember it next time you have any issue at all. Your computer lags and you die causing a wipe, why didn’t you check your hardware was working before you clicked ready? Next time you disconnect and make a boss harder for your group ask yourself why didn’t you run a test on your ISP before the run started?
That is the level of absurdity you are asking of me to know a mistake in hindsight before it was made in which case I wouldn’t have made it.
No It’s the one incident I decided to talk about on here because when other people have issues that are within reason I don’t insult them or document it on here. I made this because it made me feel like garbage and ruined any motivation I had to play dungeons with people.
The community for the most part is fine but it has some absolutely toxic low points. I played this game since 2005. I can not begin to imagine how a new player would feel walking into these situations with half the knowledge and getting roasted for the smallest error. I would uninstall in a heartbeat.
I don’t need a lecture on self esteem issues either. You won’t gaslight me into thinking that being verbally abused in a video game is normal and a me problem.
But you did not. Because trolls exist since 2005… In fact, they exist since 1984 when the internet was invented. I have heard of trolls and sad people on the internet since I have memory. And a quick wiki search confirms it and I quote :
“There are competing theories of where and when “troll” was first used in Internet slang, with numerous unattested accounts of BBS and Usenet origins in the early 1980s or before…”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)
So. What would a new person do? Well the same thing you did every season since 2005. Same thing, I, and everyone currently playing WoW or ANY other multi-player game did… simply ignore the troll and move on.
So spare me your tears bro…
So I say once again: WHAT IS YOUR POINT ??? THIS ??
Then FIRST remove “community” from the title. I dont insult people. And the 99 groups you played like human beings dont deserve such an insult either. You dont want to be treated badly. Start by not treating other undeserving bystanders badly.
And SECCOND… Why are you surprised? Its not big or recent news.
And it’s my right to say you are a stupid and inconsiderate person to think that verbal abuse is sensible and normal. You are disturbed, not the other way around.
Indeed, many feel the same and avoid it. Hence delves and solo features being developed.
Toxic people take it as a point of pride that they endure, and then they say it isn’t toxic with verbal abuse. Those kind of people always stand at multiple places, they lack identity and values because what they have is worthless and they know that so they can’t actually talk about it and instead pretend it is something it isn’t and that the problem lies with someone else.
Absolutely spot on, it’s always gaslighting and it is always blameshifting onto the victim.
It’s nothing, 1 minute no problem. Was a complication, let’s wait of course. And let’s talk about something fun or relaxing while we wait, like normal people. That’s a normal response to a perfectly normal situation instead of a psychotic tantrum over nothing.
Well done complaining, it opens the eyes of others on how this goes and let them understand that they didn’t do anything wrong. Which is seemingly obvious but as can be observed in this thread there are many who warp and distort until wicked lie seem true.
I agree with Uda to a point that its not hot news. Trolls existed before. Even vanilla wow had its trolls and ninja looters and what not.
The point being. Stuff like these happen. Sure they are not pleasant or deserving but it happens. Part of ‘‘life is life’’.
I also went grocery shopping the other day and some grumpy old grandma scolded me for parking in “her spot”. A regular, non for disabled or whatever parking spot.
Ok…I just brushed it off and carried on as usually. Didnt feel the need to contact the news or make a huge social media roast about it.
