In my OP, I linked an interview where they flat out said she is not evil.
That presentation was just talking about things from the perspective/side of the Alliance there.
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Outdated information on a article from almost a year ago which is also a third party source.
Here you have direct confirmation of current events that Sylvanas’s plans are evil.
Try again.
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Whom was interviewing Blizzard employees.
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Fine then, it is still outdated information.
Try again.
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Incorrect, what they say is still true to this day. She is not behaving in a mustache twirling way.
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Considering Blizzard has said she has evil plans then yes it is outdated, and what he said goes against a lot of her actions she has taken.
She is behaving in a mustache twirling way from the stereotypical monologing to being moronically stupid as well as doing evil acts like burning down a tree of innocents
Put is this way, Garrosh compared her to the Lich King and she didn’t deny she was like the Lich King. Is the Lich King not really evil?
But anyway, try again.
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Besides the only person the Alliance and neutral organisations have a problem with is Sylvanas, this includes the Argent Crusade.
Anduin: Peace between Forsaken and living humans/high elves!
Sylvanas: Oh no they show hope, are happy, willing to rejoin their families and this will undermine my power. KILL THEM!
Genn: Thanks to this event I see now the Forsaken aren’t the problem, Sylvanas is.
Now the azerite question:
Magni: Azeroth is dying!
Anduin: We need to mend and heal the world!
Sylvanas: ignores Magni So Gallywix how is the azerite mining going to attack and conquer the Alliance? I kinda want to to raise all of SW…
If Sylvanas would have died at the Broken Shore instead of Vol’jin there would be peace on Azeroth.
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The difference between the Lich King and Sylvanas is that the Lich King enslaves, Sylvanas does not. The Forsaken starting zone shows this.
Press X to Doubt
Derek says hi.
Edit : Try again.
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One case used as a means to bring a quicker end to the war.
You are robbing one of the pillar stones of Forsaken society, which is free will. And while it has always been iffy she has destroyed that in order to get some cheap shots.
Try again.
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Considering how everything is going, there’s no way that she is an anti-hero nor is there anything that could make her redeemable.
We were promised that we won’t get Garrosh 2.0 and yet here we are with a terribly written character that was turned into an absolute vile being.
I am just waiting for her to say that “X is no longer part of my horde” while impaling some fool.
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I never saw her as evil but more as inane. Without justification for her war, she looks like one. A smart leader would have at least created an incident to justify war … she looked both insane and stupid.
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I don’t blame her char - don’t wanna judge beautiful char blizzard made during Warcraft 3.
I just blame writers to make her char in which way people don’t willing to accept.
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I actually believe that the problem with trying to make sense of the Syalvanas character is that its just a scripted scenario created to raise hatred between factions to justify BfA. The guys sat round a table and just thought of the worst they could do and basically removing two major centres of occupation from both continents seemed like probably a good idea at the time.
In truth the whole BfA thing is washed out cus neither Eastern or Kalimdor have become strong PvP zones controlled by either faction. Neither Horde or Alliance have taken up the challenge to dominate one or other. And the expansion has become a mish mash of pretty good story cinematics badly mixed in with confusing and quite boring game play.
The Sylvanas and Jaina angles were used to create the conflict or ‘warmongering’ and had to be extreme if they were going to have any kind of impact. Not sure that any of the writing and development work in this expansion has gone according to plan.
In the end I sense they have almost crippled their own game with the nonsense plots in terms of story continuity. I don’t actually think they know what they are doing… or what to do anymore. The whole BfA thang didn’t work… they should just admit it and move on. The sooner this story is done and dusted the better. I just feel very angry at what they did to Sylvanas. Love her or hate her, the character is one of the strongest in the game. We lose this kind of leader and there will be nothing of any credible value looking after her people.
So who do I blame… I blame the writers for the image portrayed by Sylvanas. The character is sound… its just bad writing.
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Let’s summarize.
The largest threat known to Azeroth had been defeated and both sides were on uneasy peace terms licking their wounds. Horde is aware of Alliance spies in their midst and Sylvanas hatches a plan to pre-emptive strike the Alliance with the plan of disrupting the Night Elves and making the faction as a whole politically bleed. Horde goes along with it under the basis that her idea of long-standing peace being favourable over the shaky variable peace they had.
Cue shenanigans. Plans fail for reasons purely written to stir drama between characters before expansion has taken shape and further the plot. Decides to burn a tree full of innocent civilians to make up for it and get the ‘next best result’. Predictably, this does the opposite of what was intended and riles the Alliance even more. War ensues.
So, now the midden has hit the mill and old-Horde are accepting that the employed methods weren’t honourable. Sylvanas’ answer to those people is to go die in a fire for all she cares. As such, Trolls have no leader after Broken Shore, Orc leader is pretty much shown the door and invited to die, Tauren leader is told that if he doesn’t like that, he can join them in death. In short, my way or the high way. Compare that to pre Green Jesus, or Vol’Jin, or even Garrosh pre ‘madness’ where Horde having council and being an inner circle was always prevalent. Now it’s just Sylvanas, Sylvanas, Sylvanas.
It’s gotten to a point where the developers are now incorporating quests where you decide whether to back up that philosophy or live by the old ways. You can tell yourself as much as you please that ‘war is war’ and that she’s just going about it in a ‘different way’ and that the ends justify the means (rigging personal assassin-bombs, defying her own ideal that Forsaken have free-will by attacking her own Council and the Forsaken who considered reuniting with their families), but that goes against the experience any self-respecting Horde player has seen or played through since the very beginning, and the fact that even lore wise, none of said races would ever be happy serving her.
Hell she as good as sent her own hit-squad to sort out Saurfang for little else other than surviving his attempt at an honourable death and being let go from prison (there’s little to no indication that she is privy to the conversation we, as viewers, see in the Lost Honor cinematic).
She has blighted her own troops and will always be unphased by this as a character obsessed with maintaining her (un)life and/or the idea of bringing undeath to everyone and everything to unite it under one heel. The Horde is essentially a tool at her disposal, cares next to nothing about the racial leaders or their ideals, and has ultimately proven to do nothing but divide our own faction and step very, very close to potentially becoming Garrosh 2.0 (or worse, the Lich Queen).
It would take an impressive McGuffin of extreme redemption proportions to twist this into being something worthwhile, especially as (spoiler): it being World of Warcraft, a game built on these two factions, we KNOW the war between them will never ‘truly’ be resolved unless they do something utterly insane like merge the two factions together (which won’t happen).
In short, it’s a poorly plotted mess and I certainly wouldn’t call her an anti-hero, as she does next to nothing that is morally correct and is almost exclusively playing her own tune regardless of consequence - with no actual heroic (or just plain worthwhile) result to show for it.
The only potential positive you could really claim is that this war has all but given both factions an entire continent to themselves, except we’ve no idea what’s in store for Silvermoon, which is pretty much stuck on its own now that Lordaeron is a smouldering blight-filled ruin, but hey, Kalimdor for the Horde, EK for the Alliance for the most part.
The rest is all the Old-Ways vs Sylvanas Ways (grey areas), such as whether Joe Soap genuinely doesn’t mind having yet another Mana-Bomb incident going on a sleeper-agent killing spree because war-is-war-ends-justify-blah-blah. I can understand that, but that doesn’t make an anti-hero.
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Ok, I don’t want that such “Anti-Hero” destroy the good old horde. Better now?
Sylvanas was great, but placing her at the helm of the Horde was such a misuse of her character. The Forsaken may not be as evil as the Scourge, but they’re not exactly good either, nor are they conventional allies. They were allies out of necessity, because they shared a mutual enemy, not because of shared values.
I’d rather she was evil than mistakingly good. She’s an undead abomination; a freak of nature. I get that subverting expectations is in fashion these days but come on. Let our undead monsters be monsters.
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I would not be inclined to call her a “anti-hero” but at the same time what has happened to her character if you look at it objectively without faction bias is lazy and poor story writing on the part of the team who deals with that in the game.
She was in the past a well fleshed out character who had good reason to be seeking revenge on Arthas given what he had done to her and I remember playing WC3 and the sense of dread given what happened to way back on that game never mind the abomination she has become now. She’s unhinged and insane and has so far used the Horde to move her own agenda forwards and what she did to the night elf capital is a act of genocide there is no other way to look at that and instead of the Alliance capitulating she has caused them to become enraged and in some cases even more aggressive in response and thus it has heightened a long running conflict.
Lets not forget both sides have always been at war that’s never going to change it’s a constant either we fight with each other or against what ever other external threat comes along. But part of me can not help but feel she has been manipulated by something else and she’s not aware of the manipulation yet and it is yet to reveal itself yet.
When you think about it she’s been a vessel of undeath for a long time now and and you have to ask is there any vestige of a soul in her and given she was re animated by Frostmourne no less you have to wonder if that sword is exerting some kind of hidden influence. I mean this is just speculation on my part given the shoddy direction that the writers have put her in.
All in all it’s a shame what is happening to her never mind what has happened to her so far and something has to give.
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Sylvanas is like a comic book villain with a twirling moustache at this point. But an anti-hero, really? That’s how you’re going to justify her deeds?
lol
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