Sylvanas' motives do not matter

[Darvingar-silvermoon (Darvingar)]

If the Jailer holds a piece of Sylvanas soul, it pretty much confirms he controls her, and probably has for quite some time.

Sylvanas was right, she does not have free will. And because of that, she is targeting the wrong enemy.

[Telvana-argent-dawn]

@Jeeku-argent-dawn

‘A means to an end’
‘A tool for her own uses’
‘Yet another arrow in her quiver’

Its become a joke except unlike Kelthas and his mearly a setback the writers take it serious which just makes it sad.

[Chronorabbit-outland]

@Darvingar-silvermoon

If the Jailer holds a piece of Sylvanas soul

Imagine if this piece would be used when “shalamourne” was created, which then could’ve been the reason for why Sylvanas hesitated with that sword in hand during the cinematic.

But I guess that is too much to expect from the narrative team of the current days.

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gl hf

[Jeeku-argent-dawn]

@Telvana-argent-dawn

Its become a joke except unlike Kelthas and his mearly a setback the writers take it serious which just makes it sad.

No wonder she has a lot of ammunition. She has the old quiver bags that disappeared during end of Wotlk, but it’s filled with a lot of fans and 50039 dimensional chess pieces.

[Darvingar-silvermoon (Darvingar)]

The problem with Sylvanas is that she is meant to be a “this was my plan all along”-type character, but Blizzard does not actually know what her plan is.

[Thalaara-argent-dawn]

@Zarao-colinas-pardas

Being manipulative is definitely one of Sylvanas defining traits.

Really?
Since when?
Syvanas was manipulated and used since the dawn of her creation as a banshee…
I’m genuinely interested whom she manipulated - aside the Horde, but “used” is a better word, no masterfull decpetion there, she just gave orders… and for some plot armorish reason the members of the Horde forgot they have a brain and how to think to say “are you mad, corpse?” - and that manipulation ended up in any form of “win’ or gain” for her
Without any sarcasm or jokes aside, its a real question, because I can’t recall any big manipulations form her part

[Jeeku-argent-dawn]

@Thalaara-argent-dawn

members of the Horde forgot they have a brain and how to think to say “are you mad, corpse?” - and that manipulation ended up in any form of “win’ or gain” for her

No need to do anything manipulative when the opponents and contenders are purposely written like suddenly spineless people or somehow just did not say or do anything at all.

One can assume and flail at this, but speaking only from Hordeside, being told to “bide our time” and “be cautious/careful” when we had premises like Garrosh causing worldly terrors before that was only solved by direct action doesn’t really feel like anything fun or fine.

If Sylvanas was assassinating or outright tyrannical slaughtering her own people who even winked differently at her left and right, then i’d understand this cautious premise…

[Zarao-colinas-pardas (Zarao)]

@Thalaara-argent-dawn

Since when?

Since Wc3 TFT.

That’s the whole point of how she managed to stay in charge and manoeuvre her faction into an alliance with the Horde. Or how she managed to get away with her methods, while fighting with the Horde or even alongside the Alliance.