Tank bloat: am I the only one who decides to try tanking, fail to fit everything I want on comfortable binds and log out?

I do think they are factoring it into their game design though. I’d say not using one is a massive disadvantage over someone who does.

Was considering trying vengeance the other day but then saw this and was like ugh. Tho the only reason I didn’t is because they didn’t get fe rush like I thought

I play tank and love it.

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Play a Demon Hunter, we have barely any button bloat compared to other tanks :stuck_out_tongue:

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By that logic wow shouldnt need a computer or power cord either. Dont be ridiculous.

With Brewmaster, you can cut down on quite a lot of keybinds with these 3 macros:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=8 Keg Smash, Breath of Fire
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=3 Blackout Kick, Tiger Palm

And if you use Rushing Jade Wind, it combines nicely with Spinning Crane Kick:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 Rushing Jade Wind, Spinning Crane Kick, Spinning Crane Kick, Spinning Crane Kick

With these macros, I think BM is now a very chill tank to play, even more so than bear druid. They went from the most bloated tank in Dragonflight to probably the least bloated in TWW.

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So yesterday I was doing a 8 as feral and having a rough go at it, worse then usual cause I was trying a new delve that seemed to have more casts that one-shot me. So I switched to guardian since I’ve never tried it with a different role and I hear guardians are pretty good rn, so I gave it a shot.

I’m astounded how few buttons they actually have to press, they have like up to max 5 offensive, 2 cd’s I think and then maybe the utility buttons with up to 3 actual defensives like ironfur frenzied regen and barkskin.

It’s almost cheesy how easy and peasy that was.

My keybinds
1-6
alt+1 all the way to alt+4
Shift+D shift+E shift+g shift+c could probably even do shift+w
Shift+1 all the way to shift+4
use X key as well you can type /sit if you want to sit, you do not need a sit button.

Bind your ` as well
Use F1 all the way to F12 use F1-F6 for easy access abilities. use anything after for binds.

Use shift+r + alt+r for abilities if still need more or use them for your mount as well as R

Use your mouse4 and mouse5 buttons for key abilities.

And most of all make sure if you play all tanks that your abilities that share similar use to be on the very same buttons, as any other class so you can automatically play everything.

That means movement abilities on movement ability keys, defensive’s on very same defensive keys.
Your 1-6 is always your rotation etc.

Most of all keep making topics like these, some one is gonna give you some good advice eventually.

And do not be afraid off on use trinkets, if they are the best use them, we are not in classic anymore where rotation is just 1 single button, you succubus charm enemy pop trinket and cast 1 shadow bolt to 1 shot enemy, and fear second player, and howl of terror the rest, rotations are far more complex and depend purely on situation, single target rotation and aoe rotation learn them, and if you do not know ask, because some one will know.

Few more keybinds i forgot F G and H V and C anything at left hand reach should be bound.

What tank u play? Rn at least 3 out of 6 tanks dont realy have bloated bars

Dk is bloated
Warr kinda-ish
Pala same as war due to utility

Paladin tanking was great until they nerfed it a few days ago, and it is heavy and terrible atm. Every time you feel good playing a character, they nerf it so you no longer want to play it. It’s like they are not creating a game that is supposed to be fun and a pleasure to play but a mirror of the most stagnating reality we all would like to escape in real life. Why play games at all in this case?

pal and warr are way too high apm, its getting painful after a few runs, issue is with abilities i want to bind without mods as i use them on cooldown, some classes are like one or 2 short

People don’t play tanks because they don’t want to learn routes, how to handle mobs and bosses, they want to pump damage, which is why healers are the second least played class. Button bloat has nothing to do with it, and most base rotations for tanks are not that complicated anyway.

High apm has nothing to do with CDs tho .

Button Bloat is definitely a tad of an issue overall, especially with most older classes (you really notice they had it in mind for DH and Evoker).
Still, there´s options for a reason and while mastery on any tank will leave you with a lot of utility buttons needed, just getting started can be very easy on most tanks, especially bear. You can basically makro Ironfur on everything else and play bear with 3 buttons and do just fine.
I think hte problem is much bigger for healers, most have 34+hotkeys in use, even with harm/help double use makros.

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No, you’re not the only one. I’ve done the same thing many times after tanking for 6 years. Guardian Druid is the worst now.

And it’s not just bloated, it’s also the sheer speed.

This is from DF so may no longer be accurate, but still. Insane rage generation, tons of spells off GCD, spamming like an idiot.

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I love playing my tank. I’ve even improved since pugging the heroic raid in this expansion, having a higher uptime on Ignore Pain and Shield Block, due to a lot of pug players being short on the “pay attention to what you’re doing” scale :smiley:

I don’t even use macros or a ton of keybindings. Not only that, but I’m sure if I spent a bit of time to research and look over things in more detail, I could improve even more. But I’m in my 40s and my reaction time is not like it used to be!!

The OP sounds like it’s their own personal issue, with not being able to keep up or not knowing how/when to use cds in certain situations/certain bosses. As the saying goes, practice makes perfect and if you don’t put in the time to learn and adjust, then of course you’re going to blame the class/skills, rather than the player behind the character.

OP, if you want to play a tank with very little buttons to press, then create and play a Guardian Druid. They’re fun to play, but I’m not a big Druid fan, otherwise I would have made one.

Going by that logic , u can do same on healers , use 4-5 healing spells and your dispel, it works , just like the way u described on druid.

Also for love of gods if there is any new druid dont do what that guy just said

There´s insane difference there, and in DF S3 the top #1 druid on the Ladder in some weeks played with this makro. Because you don´t get that heavily rewarded for proper ragemanagment, but you get punished hard for letting ironfur drop.

Ofc it´s better to do it without a makro for high end min/maxing, but as a beginner it´s really a good way to get started.

If we talk about same druid then he admited he also played weaker and worse talents because he was shotcaller and couldnt be focus on both rotation and leading . Very bad example u used , and also a very bad example to follow .

Dont wanna “degrade” him or his achiev , very good player ofc, but not something to follow blindly.

Bad rage managment is what leads to bad IF management, especialy for newer players.

As a beginer its probably the worst u can do because u get used to it

I’d prefer it if tanks active defensive cooldowns were primarily used in response to mechanics in the game, rather than just when available (which is the case for quite a few of them). I’m old, so keep track of the encounter, the target’s casting/attacks, my cooldowns, my buffs, debuffs and agro, is just a little too much for me these days.

But I also don’t expect any of this to change, Blizzard seems to be happy with how the different roles work, as they’ve been leaning into it more with the recent changes coming into TWW.

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