Nah we don’t need her.
Xal’atath or sylvanas?
as a villain? Xala’tath. As leader? Sylvanas.
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We cant choose our villains, we can choose only from our characters what they have made available for us. Xal’atath is their choise. Didn’t you learn anything : )
Dont worry Sylvanas won’t return to warchief im sure. She kinda not even have any fitting role where she could return. Unless they choose her to be their another char maybe they just tuned her down in maw
Since it’s been foreshadowed twice now that the void fears death/undeath, I believe she’ll come back and make the ultimate sacrifice to save someone/something.
Na Na Na Na Hey Hey-ey Goodbye.
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Please no nothing like that. Im sure they can be way more creative with her than another ultimate sacrice for nothing
So they removed the Horde version of pits of Saron. Alliance bias continues.
Less Bias whining, more Ogre boosting
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Just wanted to share it since it annoys me.
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Kul tirans have a powerlift body build.
Thats the body you need if you want to lift and surplex a Tauren
Thats not obese, its muscle under a layer of fat.
And Haranir are normal, average even. The body of every other playable race is abnormal. Its super models and beach lions out there in comparison to your average johnny and jenni smith.
People who unironically call them fat, whether its for lust or shame, have an unhealthy view of body standards.
(not calling you out specifically, to be clear, this is just a public service announcment)
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Everything annoys you at game
Playable Ogres yes! Been waiting for them for years.
Want me two headed ogre with each wearing a different helmet.
The ogres are long overdo
The horde have 3 allied ogre clans, they have been with the Horde since warcraft 1, They should have been a core race instead of the forsaken under the leadership of Rexxar.
But that time has passed, and I don’t see them becoming playable unless we get another non allied race ever again.
They deserve the core race treatment
I know they can pull it off, two heads or just one
I know the devs want to make them playable!
But they won’t because the shareholders are spinless cowards.
How come whenever someone criticises the poorly done female model, there is always someone with the “tHe MeN lOoK lIkE pOwErLiFtErS tho?!?!?!?!” response? I’d love it if the women actually looked powerful and strong, but they’re just sad wine aunts after a decade of bad decisions. They neither look strong nor powerful. They’re just obese, and I’m sorry, but they look sad.
Similarly, the male Haranir model may look decent, but the female model is just… well, fat. Why should I sugar-coat it? How should I sugar-coat it? They might be a fantasy race, but we still apply human standards of attractiveness to fantasy creatures. Which is why the most popular races - by a landslide - are Blood Elves, Night Elves and humans. All the while Kul Tirans are so niche they might not even exist. They’re barely beating Junker Gnomes.
And this has nothing to do with “coomer brain”, it’s just normal human behaviour to want to be portrayed in the best light possible. And for a lot of people, this is choosing an attractive avatar. For women, this can shift more towards “looks hot”, and for men it can shift more towards “gets stuff done”, which will explain why people pick up Orcs in the first place, despite Orc men being the ugliest thing to ever have existed in gaming. It’s not a clear cut separation, it is a spectrum. I am the odd one out because I really like Draenei, who look more like they can actually swing that hammer, as opposed to a BElf. But indeed, 90% of my female friends do play a form of Blood, Night or Void Elf. I know exactly one Dwarf and one human main, and I suspect she just chose it because her husband plays human too, so they could quest together (they started during vanilla). Everyone else plays an Elf. It’s a power fantasy, on both sides. And yes, Blizzard did put Blood Elves in the Horde specifically to attract female players to the faction.
It’s ridiculous to assume that it’s just some weird addiction to adult material, when the opposite is the case. People look to put an idealised version of what they want others to perceive of them forward. That may be a goth-y Forsaken, an athletic Orc, or just your average pretty Elf. While on the other hand people who are into those weird things like fatness or feet generally are more addled by adult content
As for the “fatness”, yes, I do consider carrying around enough excess fat on your waist so your torso looks like a block of cheese “fat”. You can throw in zoomer buzzwords as much as you want, but if it looks fat, I will call it fat. The game is not targeted at a fictional fantasy race where excess fat is healthy, it’s targeted at humans from regions where we do not need to store large amounts of excess fat for the winter.
So yeah, long rant cut short:
It might just be me being “neurodivergent”, as they say these days, but I refuse to accept that the modern tend to fetishise fatness will have any real impact on player numbers for Haranir. In the past, the overall community has largely rejected races with an “alternative” attractiveness, because it’s just human nature to want to put our best foot forward.
Blizzard not being able to create a female model was always their biggest hurdle.
Thats fair, a google search of powerlift woman does give a few examples of woman similar in build but still on the smaller side.
On That we will disagree.
is it because of the large thighs? they honestly look like they would partake in tour de france with legs like those.
And thats probably why I argue they aren’t fat
modern standards of attractivness in accordance to the majority is screwed in the wrong direction of the unhealthy hour glass figure and dehydrated muscles
The haranir have good healthy and normal body proportions.
Yes because they have that hot “ideal” beach body, thats not what an average person looks like.
Coomer brain was my attmpte at a funny spin on legit grivnce I have with some people and their gross misunderstanding of what overweight is, because as you said yourself, redditors do be lusting and they are fast to squeel when they can’t get the rocks off to the fantasy woman.
On that topic I have no monkey to race.
I take very specifically, issue with people calling the haranir fat when they are infact not, because thats crazy talk.
You can stick to your idealzed body types which you find attractive, thats normal, thats fine.
No shame in that but a lot of folk confuse the ideal body for the norm and that is not good for the mental health of anyone.
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I disagree. Clearly, human, Darnassian, Thalassian, and Draenei models work just fine for most people. Outside of the weird feet, Trolls are also really great, and while I might be very odd, I do love Forsaken and the female Orc model as well. I just can’t handle the combat sounds Orcs make, they irritate me to no end.
Blizzard used to be able to make great models that women want to play. I think all races up to MoP actually have their own merit in a way. Races that aren’t “conventionally attractive”, have other merits to make people want to play them. The morbid charm of Forsaken, Tauren, Vulpera or Pandaren being just that adorable, the athleticism of Orcs,
Nightborne and Void Elves are technically just remakes of old models so they got accepted by the community as well and are actively played. It’s just the Kul Tirans and Haranir that are kind of questionable.
I won’t go into fragmenting a post because, frankly, that’s just incredibly rude IMO. But I will just say this:
Why would I want to play an “average person” in a fantasy game about overcoming adversity against all odds? Why would I want to play as Karen from accounting instead of Red Sonya? This entire “average person” argument for a fantasy roleplaying game is just so immensely stupid. It should have ideal bodies. It has been shown times and times again that people flat out reject having “average” avatars in favour of what you call “unhealthy” healthy and fit bodies. Yes, Blood Elves are a bit on the thin side, but that’s the race fantasy, and clearly it pays off because at some point in the game there have been more Thalassian characters than total Alliance characters (at max level).
You very clearly have no concept of what an actual healthy body looks like if you think Kul Tirans and Haranir are healthy. Kul Tirans are very clearly obese, and Haranir have a very visible belly, along with a generally “larger” overall body. They’re not obese, but they are overweight.
And anecdotally, I have more friends and colleagues who fall between Night Elves and humans in terms of body type, and only few who are skewing towards Haranir or even Kul Tirans. having a healthy diet and being a bit more active will already bring you more towards humans. The “average” woman may look like Kul Tirans because we are having an obesity epidemic, not because it is healthy. Back when I was young, 3000 years ago, being fit and healthy was the norm. The hourglass figure is an ideal for a reason, because for millennia it has been the form most associated with a healthy woman that will be able to produce healthy offspring. Now it is being labelled “unrealistic” and even “unhealthy” by people who do not want to overcome their addiction to convenience foods and because people are afraid to hurt other people’s feelings, so they’d rather accept that someone might die due to the stress the excess weight puts on their bodies than tell them they should lose some weight?
And what’s that with dehydrated? Do you actually confuse a healthy and fit body for Hollywood movies on purpose? You know you can be slender and fit without doing any of those things, right? As I have said, some basic activity and a good diet will automatically get you a regular, healthy body. There is no need to starve yourself or even dehydrate yourself for a regular beach body.
The times we lie in are absurd, and it should irritate and agitate me way less than it does, but people being so ignorant of reality due to ideological corruption drive me up a wall. I will not respond to more posts on this topic, because clearly, you do not have a single toe, let alone a foot, in reality if you think that an “average woman” during an obesity epidemic is healthy, while the traditional signs of a healthy human being are “unhealthy” and “unrealistic”. Or how, in a fantasy game, where people want to be the idealised version of themselves and will go out of their way to put their best foot forward, people should rather play as auntie Mabel because she is the “average woman” and anything better than that is clearly “unrealistic”. Just completely blows my mind.
Anyway, I hope you have fun with the Haranir, I will keep to the traditonal, “unhealthy” races.
Haranir look perfectly normal what are you even talking about?
I am uncertain if we are on the same page and i’ll be perfectly blunt, I don’t feel like expanding the energy to figure out where it went off the road.
I’ve said my piece.
My cents have been tossed, my pizza cheesed and my monkeys have raced.
What size woud the ogres have? Tauren sized?