So the fact that Blizz chose not to update it is meant to show…that the Alliance actually destroyed the entire zone? Even though there’s nothing at all, anywhere, to indicate otherwise?
Like what’s your argument here? 'cos mine’s real simple
→ Tirisfal is still held by Horde
→ We know that the Alliance invasion was a single push to the Undercity and didn’t spread out anywhere else thanks to the visuals we have
→ The futuretime phase of the zone doesn’t remove any of the Deathknell/Bulwark NPCs.
→ What else is there? Okay, there are still some scarlets…so what? Does that change anything? Why would we believe that the Horde abandoned Deathknell and the Bulwark? For what purpose?
Yeah because the Blood Knights who also joined the Silver Hand during Legion are totally horde-hostile amirite hahahahaha
but no seriously there’s no reason to think that the Argents are now alliance-aligned, at all. It’s real simple actually.
Argents, Blood Knights, Sunwalkers, Hand of Argus and the Ironforge/Stormwind Silver Hand joined up under the Order of the Silver Hand banner during Legion (though still retained their individuality as we saw with the likes of Tyrosus and the NPCs guarding LHC during the DK invasion). Now they’re all split up again back to where they’ve come from.
We have zero zip zilch reason to believe that the Argents are hostile to the Horde at this stage. Argents existing at the Bulwark is entirely fine.
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Well, Berendt, the Alliance at the campaign weren’t taking a section of the Crossroads [/quote]
Not my point. Saying that having SWI/Footman and all the Alliance guilds that weren’t Kaldorei/Gilnean based in Kalimdor in Darkshore Drums of war is kinda dodgy lorewise.
So lore ok, but the lore must go both ways.
I also agree that Andorhal shouldn’t be a new Stormwind and could be lost. I understand the frustration about the last time Horde went there. However, as said, the terms of RP PVP were defined to Alterac, not WPL. You can’t blame a non organizer guild to not want to partake to a 4v40 that wasn’t agreed before hand.
If you guys want to storm Andorhal later, gather participants from both Alliance and Horde and make a RP PVP campaign there. That will be better RP than this farce of invasion -due to both no agreement, phasing and unfair numbers, all those shenaningants- that was launched the other day.
You’re trying to seduce desperate Alliance citizens into settling in a dangerous area such as the Plaguelands? Where Scourge remnants and Forsaken alike dwell at day and at night, ever on the prowl for innocent souls to torture?
You may think yourself crafty, but your plan to provide the Banshee Queen and her Forsaken with fresh corpses is painstakingly obvious.
Come, traitor, and meet judgment at my hands. In the name of the innocents you have doomed to undeath and the many more you were going to sacrifice to the Dark Lady, I will put an end to you.
alright puts on tinfoil hat lets do some speculation
Not entirely, thanks to the alliance death knell and silverpine are cut off from the bulwark due to the death scar 2.0, the estate and death knell surrounded by
scourge remnants
Humans of the scarlet crusade
some farmers
feral skeletons that roam the said scar.
At the same time the is currently quite vulnerable, with the skeleton army in their backs and the scarlet remnants up their hills while their wall faces towards andorhal, that can be a nasty bit.
For the alliance to cross into tirisfal would be folly, then there ofcourse there is the bit of supplies and acquisition of such.
since the horde and alliance are fighting each other in arathi, the alliance could just simply move troops and supplies to tyr’s hand by sailing smaller ships under the thandol span, this is however under the knowledge that Archerus isn’t back on it’s place and bastion was cleared by the argent dawn, since they have a dock behind arathi and this is under the assumption that the elven fleet is either out of range or occupied.
And here is where trouble actually begins.
They’d have to move directly from tyr’s hand to light hope without using the road as that would lead into Corin’s crossing, after doing this they’d follow the road into western plague lands… Members of the horde that are in the argent dawn have spotted the alliance, as well as the scourge.
Lets say you have captured andorhal because you took the forsaken by surprise.
The alliance at this point sits in a trap.
The alliance can’t move in tirisfal, blighted skeletons, scarlet remnants and forsaken remnants are waiting for them.
If nelox decides to go Big Bone Lich, he’d stack abominations on thondroril’s only bridge, your supply line is closed unless you want risk it all by having it send via arathi
If the horde forces decide to go rotted, mean and green they’d move in from hillsbrad, you can’t reach alterac via silverpine anymore, you cant move into tirisfal and going back to the plaguelands, That big bone lich is waiting.
then there is the scarlet presence, they’re stuck between blighted skeletons and the bullwark atleast that’s what it looks like
However, if the horde doesn’t do anything…
You can raid the supply line from hillsbrad
If the scourge doesn’t do anything… the only supply line is then somewhat safe.
…and the scarlets… well they’re the scarlet crusade, just place a cardboard skeleton on a hard to reach place and you’d be fine
Plaguelands have all remained unchanged for the most bit, except for a part in legion, an event occured where the corpse of rivendare was stolen by the scourge.
My argument is that Blizzard was lazy, did not update anything outside of scenario area and using state of this zone in game to claim Forsaken still hold their cities is absurd, because, as I said, then we should also say Argent Crusade still has forces in Bulwark, undead rebels from Deathknell are alive and Scarlet Crusade once again holds Scarlet Monastery. Oh, and mobs killed during questing in Tirisfal all survived.
Got it? Simple enough?
Silver Hand banners are seen in Stromgarde, which lead many to believe Silver Hand is now with the Alliance while its Horde components are no longer part of the order.
And we have zero reason to believe that humans from Argent Crusade (which, for all we know, can be completely disbanded) are at Bulwark when humans from Silver Hand fight for the Alliance.
Also safe to say massive blight contamination, that stuff doesn’t vanish easy.
Acherus is floating in the Broken Isles, last we checked. Also the Argent Dawn/Crusade presence is somewhat questionable due to the Silver Hand still existing and firmly under Alliance leadership. Make no mistake, the Argent Crusade are -not- on warm terms with Sylvanas either mind.
Entirely possible that the Bulwark (despite not being updated in game) could be under Alliance control, along with the rest of the Plaguelands + Hillsbrad + Gilneas, due to the Forsaken retreat.
Stromgarde is the lynch pin - as it connects these northern lands back to Khaz Modan and Stormwind. It’s specifically mentioned Stromgarde is imperative to Horde strategy as it stops Gilneas becoming a massive problem (ontop of it already being occupied by the Alliance military now).
The Forsaken are bolted up in Alterac, likely with whatever they managed to evacuate from Tirisfal and other theatres in the Eastern Kingdoms.
Okay then I guess you’re satisfied with the phrase “alliance doesn’t hold elwynn” because of kobolds and murlocs and defias and feral wolves"?
Because by that logic no one has any zone except maybe their capital but whoops there tends to be a few hostile people in those occasionally so I guess not either.
Yes. Because the Silver Hand of Ironforge/Stormwind went back home. They’ve been called the Silver Hand since at least Cataclysm, and Turalyon commands some during his arathi excursion. I don’t know why you think they Silver Hand of Stormwind/Ironforge have anything to do with the Argents.
I doubt Tyrosus was ever terribly fond of Sylvanas but there were Forsaken in the argents (well respected ones even) and if you take the view that the Argents have somehow all folded into Stormwind despite previously insisting on neutrality then you’re now of the opinion that…what, the Alliance owns all the plaguelands save Andorhal?
And that is somehow a more reasonable proposal based on this loregap than “Yeah actually they want back to how they were before” like LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CLASS HALL?
And Hillsbrad.
And Silverpine.
And moving at Gilneas.
And Tirisfal.
And there’s been no comment about the Bulwark or Andorhal at all and the closest the Alliance has gotten is a mission moving south from Chillwind post, which is south of Andorhal.
Not going to lie, but I assumed the Argents had to be baked into the Silver Hand because they were devastated when Tyrion suicide charged the Broken Shore.
Post-Legion we just haven’t seen any Argent activity (even with the factions basically going allout at their very doorstep / their allegedly governed regions) is because they are either isolated, undermanned or just don’t exist, their former members just dissolving into the other paladin orders.
Naturally this line of thought makes every neutral/Argent RPer go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE from one end of the online community to the other so I never mentioned it, ontop of the fact that I haven’t really completed the paladin order hall quests.
There were plenty of Argents left after the Broken Shore (including all their non-combatants, and many combatants to boot). Since we’ve all been focused on the faction war, it’s not like they’ve got much to do in the story, and they’re not big “land healers” like the cenarions/earthens who even then only got a token cameo at the sword.
We don’t know what the August Celestials think about this either but no one is proposing that all of the Golden Lotus are now Alliance. Only the Argents. Weird that.
That’s true, though we aren’t getting Pandaria-based missions or faction war-related content in general. Meanwhile a sizeable portion of Eastern Kingdoms is supposedly kept clean by the Argent Crusade, so the radio silence regarding their involvement is weird at best.
Edit: At very least not ON Pandaria, but we have Shado-Pan and the infamous Mistweaver picking sides at least, notably against the Horde. Calling these instances evidence that the Asian Farmyard Committee picked a side is a bit of a stretch though.
by my logic your reasoning is flawed, 2 major (scourge and horde remnants) factions, 1 minor factions (the combined strength of human remnants) and a terrain hazard with blighted skeletons are something different then, wild life (which is includes murloc tribes and kobolds), a criminal gang vs. major alliance presence and indeed, they don’t control certain parts of elwynn due to infestations of kobolds or gnolls for the obvious reason of an ongoing and costly war.
also… as stated in at the top and bottom, its speculation because, it is based on conjecture due to missing information.
blizzard just paint brushed the scar from uc to the tirsifal beach and sprinkled it with skeletons.
the surrounded zones are still as they where in just after the cataclysm including most of tirisfal.
wait… arent the argents the contenders for becoming light zealots 2.0?
It seems like the alliance is using boats to get troops to arathi so i doubt it, however… you lot should make an 2 parted rp-pvp campaign about where in the first part you fight it out and the second part you correct it to fit with the game/lore. But thats just my suggestion.
Not really? I dunno where you got that from. The Argents have, from their inception, been painted as the moderate faction of Light followers (contrasted to the Scarlets) with even their more extreme parts (Brotherhood of the Light) being more ‘ruthless’ rather than ‘fanatical’. Korfax, the seemingly joint-head of the BotL, isn’t even a paladin.
Yesterday, the faithful marched upon Uther’s Tomb in order to destroy this altar of depravity. The worthless blue coton, in all its perfidy, spied upon the Crimson warriors and had prepared an ambush for them.
Outnumbered three to one, the Scarlets were quickly overrun by the rabid heretics who stopped at nothing to try and put them down. Many of us have fallen yesterday and their names will be praised forever as martyrs of the Crimson Light.
May you rest in the Crimson Halls eternally :
Terrowin Penderghast
Lourve Mourding
Vernad Mourding
A special prayer dedicated to our grand First Knight. He was harsh but fair and fell to the ennemy focused fire while fighting for our grand ideals. He will be forever be missed and exalted as a true martyr of our faith, a beacon of the Crimson Light. Sothric Eraldor. Taken to Stormwind to answer for his crimes, he was killed atop the harbour in front of a hating mob.
The rest of the Crimson Warband has been scattered in the wilds, after Hugues had to stay behind to hold off the death Knights. What happened to him is unknown.