Humans have taken a fat portion of spotlight since TBC and since WotLK they are the center of the Alliance. You have got to be joking right?
Its an entire throwback to Warcraft 2 where a portion of soldiers got stuck on Outland in the explosion. You donât consider that a huge deal? Perhaps your human enthusiasm is of low level then.
Never have you once stated source material and most of your facts are blank statements of the fan fiction residing within your head.
Quite amusing that after all these years since MoP youâre still going at it Munwe youâre dedicated to your race Iâll give you that
How do you even whine about Humans not allowed to have anything at all and at the same time come into the thread, showcasing how the Humans are the dominant and leading force within the faction that you claim has been since Vanilla.
Humans have taken a fat portion of spotlight since TBC and since WotLK they are the center of the Alliance. You have got to be joking right?
One quest hub in one zone is not a âfat portion of spotlightâ, especially since in that same zone there was another important Alliance hub, which was literally a draenei town.
Humans have always been the centre of the Alliance. Yes, even in Classic. I already proved that.
Its an entire throwback to Warcraft 2 where a portion of soldiers got stuck on Outland in the explosion. You donât consider that a huge deal? Perhaps your human enthusiasm is of low level then.
Why should that be a âhuge dealâ, exactly?
Never have you once stated source material and most of your facts are blank statements of the fan fiction residing within your head.
I cited the comic, the words of the developers, posted a page on the official website, etc. Meanwhile, youâve been rambling about nothing the entire time. Sit down.
Quite amusing that after all these years since MoP youâre still going at it Munwe
Who? I joined this forum around the BfA pre-patch.
How do you even whine about Humans not allowed to have anything
Which Iâve never done. Because, unlike you, I donât b!tch and moan when things donât go my way in an ONLINE GAME, I simply enjoy the story and move on.
Shows to me you donât consider it a big deal that the sons of Lothar survived. Maybe youâre not a human enthusiast at all.
Oh really
Hmm
Yet here you are when people point out humans have been in the spotlight for too long, as you even seem to back that up with your statements. But then you had this reaction:
Shows to me you donât consider it a big deal that the sons of Lothar survived. Maybe youâre not a human enthusiast at all.
Because it isnât a âhuge dealâ. Again, itâs one questing hub in one zone. It doesnât lead to anything major.
Makes you sound whiny though.
If anything itâs you who is whiny, since you are so salty that humans have one single questing hub in Hellfire Peninsula which, by the way, is shared with an equal number of dwarves in that same fortress.
loooooooooooooooool
So that Danath Trollbane was still alive isnât a huge deal?
That Khadgar wasnât consumed by the blast isnât a huge deal.
That there were still no whereabouts of Tularyon isnât a huge deal.
That the Sons of Lothar were still actively fighting in Outland is not a huge deal.
Is this a joke? This was immense. Yeah it was a quest hub, so what? Whatâs wrong with that? The content of this was huge.
Perhaps you misunderstood. Because I do not take offense to the Humans having content in TBC. I pointed that out to you who blatantly overlooked that.
Iâm more mad and angry, and so do a lot of other people, about the fact that Humans have been in the spotlight for far too long and that the Alliance doesnât need to be centralized around them at all to function. It is an Alliance, not a Human Empire with races subjugated under their rule.
Nah feels like Iâm speaking to the same person as back then. Itâs clearly you.
I canât believe you as a human enthusiast just dismiss the return of Danath Trollbane alongside Khadgar who were the missing Sons of Lothar, alongside vague speculation of what happened to Turalyon as âuhh itâs not a big deal, itâs just one minor little quest hub :câ
Also the way you brought in the Dwarves who get a bone aswell to a Wildhammer Dwarf with his famous Gryphon makes you sound salty instead lol. You only want the story to revolve around Humans and other races are clearly not allowed to participate unless it is a human leader leading their cause and donning the armor of Stormwind.
But in RL history almost every monarch and feudal title was a military title as well. Dukes and Kings lead armys and made decisions because they were born into that role. In real life History Dukes, Kings, Emperors (High Kings) were military titles. This practice ended during the early modern period but in medieval times leading armys or a dukes levies he contributed to the kings armys were part of the job description. Not to do so harmed the legitimacy of the ruler and his stance in society.
Yeah, they do right now, but this just might be because not every aspect of the fall of Lorderon is shown in the game. This outposts just might fall shortly after the battle of Lorderon, it just wasnât updated yet. But also the horde loses the 4th war and we do not know hot the peace treaty will handle this.
The Night elves after WC3 were a major power and did not need any Alliance to defend from the few orcs who made it on 3 ships to Kalimdor. They just were added to the alliance in Vanilla because Blizz thought it would be awesome.
The NE used to be a super power on Kalimdor. Blizz degraded them to fit it into a human Alliance.
The dwarves are a power house as well. They have the ressources, the man power and the technology. Humans wouldnât even have an airforce without them.
If Stormwind has the farmland, Ironforge has the Industry.
Not really. Most monarch titles existed so the king could spread his monarch through various amounts of land. Sometimes things werenât conquered by manpower but to wed out daughter/niece etc to other kingdoms in return for power.
Kings, queens, lords, dukes, etc existed to increase the wealth and influence of the kingdom, not because of military titles.
Generals, captains, advisors, all existed within those communities aswell.
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So that Danath Trollbane was still alive isnât a huge deal?
That Khadgar wasnât consumed by the blast isnât a huge deal.
That there were still no whereabouts of Tularyon isnât a huge deal.
That the Sons of Lothar were still actively fighting in Outland is not a huge deal.
Is this a joke? This was immense. Yeah it was a quest hub, so what? Whatâs wrong with that? The content of this was huge.
I canât tell if youâre trolling or not.
Perhaps you misunderstood. Because I do not take offense to the Humans having content in TBC. I pointed that out to you who blatantly overlooked that.
Except that I didnât overlook it. Itâs simply not important.
Iâm more mad and angry, and so do a lot of other people, about the fact that Humans have been in the spotlight for far too long and that the Alliance doesnât need to be centralized around them at all to function. It is an Alliance, not a Human Empire with races subjugated under their rule.
It is an Alliance, as I already explained to you thoroughly.
Nah feels like Iâm speaking to the same person as back then. Itâs clearly you.
Itâs all in your head.
I canât believe you as a human enthusiast just dismiss the return of Danath Trollbane alongside Khadgar who were the missing Sons of Lothar, alongside vague speculation of what happened to Turalyon as âuhh itâs not a big deal, itâs just one minor little quest hub :câ
Given how Danath Trollbane and Khadgar hardly had any screentime in TBC aside from a couple of quests, itâs not and never was a âhuge lore revealâ or anything noteworthy at all.
Also the way you brought in the Dwarves who get a bone aswell to a Wildhammer Dwarf with his famous Gryphon makes you sound salty instead lol. You only want the story to revolve around Humans and other races are clearly not allowed to participate unless it is a human leader leading their cause and donning the armor of Stormwind.
Following your logic, it wasnât âa mere boneâ, it was a huge lore bomb, since it revealed the whereabouts of Kurdran Wildhammer, who even had a huge fortress in Shadowmoon Valley.
You only want the story to revolve around Humans and other races are clearly not allowed to participate unless it is a human leader leading their cause and donning the armor of Stormwind.
I never said this, and I can hear you punching the air from here. Itâs quite funny actually.
The Night elves after WC3 were a major power and did not need any Alliance to defend from the few orcs who made it on 3 ships to Kalimdor. They just were added to the alliance in Vanilla because Blizz thought it would be awesome.
The NE used to be a super power on Kalimdor. Blizz degraded them to fit it into a human Alliance.
Youâre delusional if you think the orcs went to Kalimdor only on 3 ships. Following that logic, most armies in Warcraft are comprised of only 10 people.
The dwarves are a power house as well. They have the ressources, the man power and the technology. Humans wouldnât even have an airforce without them.
If Stormwind has the farmland, Ironforge has the Industry.
Stormwind didnât need the dwarven airforce to single-handedly push the Horde all the way back to Draenor and almost cause its fragmentation.
Okay youâre just a Troll. That youâre a human enthusiast and simply state that the sons of lothar werenât a huge deal back then because it was a quest hub is sad.
Just say youâre crying for Humans to be the ones squashing every world threat lorewise behind a raid. That way you get to the point and you donât sound like a whiny person.
Okay and? Dwarves arenât allowed to have things? That you had Khadgar in charge and Danath still holding presence in Honor Hold is not enough?
Sheesh someoneâs salty that Humans arenât the only ones getting lore treatment lol
It wasnât a huge deal. I have no idea why you would even think that. It wasnât treated as a huge deal neither by Blizzard nor by the community. It was a simple âoh hey, cool, these people are alive I guessâ. Nothing more.
Youâre the only one whining here funnily enough.
This was a huge deal back then? What are you even talking about lol. Danath Trollbane was the king of Stromgarde. People were already speculating back then if he was ever going to reclaim his kingdom.
What a sad thing that you take offense to other races getting stuff alongside Humans.
Being the king of an irrelevant region doesnât mean anything. Stromgarde is important because it was the former capital of the Arathor Empire, but that was long before WoW began. In WoW, Stromgarde was not a relevant city, but an abandoned wasteland ruled by thieves and monsters. So how exactly does that make Danath Trollbane a relevant character to the storyline?
What a sad thing that you take offense to other races getting stuff alongside Humans.
Ok now youâre clearly trolling. I was thinking maybe you could be a boomer with dementia whoâs imagining things, but then I doubt youâd even know what WoW is, so you must be trolling.
Everyone was speculating about the Sons of Lothar still being alive or not. If they were consumed in the destruction of Draenor, what turned into Outland. People were still trying to find hints of Turalyon aswell.
LMAO
you claim that Kurdran Wildhammer being alive is a HUGE LORE BOMB
but that Khadgar and Lothar still being alive "wasnât a huge deal.
But you take offense to other races apparently getting the spotlight and finding the same amount of spotlight as the Humans got a âhuge lore bombâ while calling the spotlight of the humans as not a big deal.
Perhaps you need to look into wether Human storyline actually interests you at this point lol.
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lol being the former king of a human kingdom that got sacked and taken over by the Horde at that time isnât a huge deal at all to you?
Do you genuinely care about human lore at this point or are you trolling? I canât tell the difference anymore.
The Alliance still had a presence in Stromgarde and were still trying to take it over at the time. What in godâs name are you even talking about?
From the Stromgarde Classic wiki:
while the last section remains under the control of the Stromgarde military and serves as the headquarters of Galen Trollbane.
Everyone was speculating about the Sons of Lothar still being alive or not. If they were consumed in the destruction of Draenor, what turned into Outland. People were still trying to find hints of Turalyon aswell.
I doubt that was âa lot of peopleâ or just a couple of nerds on some obscure forum.
LMAO
you claim that Kurdran Wildhammer being alive is a HUGE LORE BOMB
but that Khadgar and Lothar still being alive "wasnât a huge deal.
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But you take offense to other races apparently getting the spotlight and finding the same amount of spotlight as the Humans got a âhuge lore bombâ while calling the spotlight of the humans as not a big deal.
Perhaps you need to look into wether Human storyline actually interests you at this point lol.
I didnât take offense at anything.
I said itâs not a huge deal because itâs not a huge deal, nor is it presented as one.
lol being the former king of a human kingdom that got sacked and taken over by the Horde at that time isnât a huge deal at all to you?
It wasnât taken over by the Horde.
Stromgarde was not an important region storywise in Classic, nor in TBC.
The Alliance still had a presence in Stromgarde and were still trying to take it over at the time. What in godâs name are you even talking about?
They were trying to take it over in one questline, which isnât even famous or iconic, and which went nowhere, because Stromgarde was never retaken until much later. Nothing major was going on in Stromgarde from a story perspective.
But do continue with the salt, itâs honestly entertaining.
I think it is the difference in roles. Different nations did the Hereditary thing differently Some are Hereditary, like the Prince of Wales is always the first born son of the reigning Monarch of England (Not sure if this has changed now to first born -child- of the reigning monarch) Whereas some Dukedoms are Heridary, and Others are not. Prince Consort Philips father was not the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Andrewâs father was not the Duke of York (I know he is a dodgy subject these days, but talking feudally it is true) Prince Harryâs father was not the Duke of Sussex. These are titles awarded (Iâd love to say on merit, but we all know that is not true) There are Feudal Duchies that are hereditary however.
Now things in older history were different. Duke -used- to be a Military title, but it was still conferred by the Monarch, the sons of a Duke were Knights, that is because in English monarchy a Duke -was- a military position that conferred Noble Rank, not a Noble Rank that conferred Military Rank. This then got confused when you got Earls, Counts and Knights involved, but that is because British monarchy was a bizarre smorgasbord of French, British, and Norse hierarchies.
-Traditionally-, a good King would be a Warleader as well, such as Edward I, or Henry V, or even Richard III, however this was not necessarily the case, and it was not shameful for a Monarch to hand off rule of his or her best qualified Generals. Letâs face it, look at Waterloo. Wellington wasnât even the Generalâs actual name, he was Arthur Wellesley, Heâd never even visited Wellington, being born in Dublin!
The King gave absolute command to the Duke of Wellington, and this was not a weakness, for Wellington was pretty undeniably the paramount Strategist and tactician of his era, along with his long running Rival, Napoleon.
Emperor was never necessarily a military title. The confusion with this is caused by dear old Julius Caesar and a mistranslation of his Title. Ask people who the First Roman Empire is, and many will say Julius Caesar. He never was. His nephew Octavian was, who took the name Augustus, as the first Roman Emperor. What Caesar -was- was Imperator, which a lot of people think means Emperor, but it does not, it was the title given to the Commander of a Roman military deployment, the ultimate authority -Above and Beyond- the Republic. So Caesar was an Imperator, and his family, the Julii, whilst noble, were fallen on hard times. He got his post by merit, not ancestry (In fact he was massively unpopular and regarded as a bit of a dandy by the chattering classes âHe wore his toga loosely beltedâ was said of him, you can guess the inference)
Kings of Sparta could be overlooked if there was a better candidate, Celtic Kings, Viking Thanes, all of these were more meritocratic than modern conceit gives them credit for.
Later Emperors were most -certainly- not military leaders in the slightest. Nero was certainly no military man, but was a very good dancer and musician. Sadly the myth about him fiddling whilst Rome burned is another Myth, he was at his holiday home in Arpinium at the time, and the Fiddle had not been invented yet, he -was- very skilled with musical instruments though, and his last words âWhat an Artist dies with meâ were apparently true. But yeah, an absolute military incompetent (And a madman), but he didnât need to be, he had Imperatorâs for that, and Imperator was not a Hereditary position.
This persisted through to the mid fifteenth century. Sure, King Henry V led the English at Agincourt, But then he was a trained and primed Warrior Prince before he succeeded his father (There is a cool reason as to why all pictures of him were painted facing one way, but I realise I am rambling). His opponent was the King of France, but the King of France was a very ill man, the poor fellow could barely sit upon a horse, and was mostly bedridden. His son, the crown Prince, the Dauphin was a doting young teenager who was looking after his father in his latter days (Forget Netflix, the Dauphin of France never died at the blade of Henry V, he died of Dysentry, a few months after the battle, rather horribly before his father, the King)
As a result, the supreme Military Commander of France, was the Constable of France, Charles Dâalbret, who had -absolute- authority to sign his nationâs surrender, -without- informing the King. He was no relation to the King, he had inherited jack shiz, he was just good at his job. King Henry V recognised him as able to make peace for his nation, so it wasnât a politeness, it was quite understood that it was not hereditary.
You are correct that if they -could- Kings were expected to take part in leading armies, but that died out far longer ago than people think, and wasnât even that widespread.
Gods, Iâm so sorry, that started to turn into a historical lecture, not a forum post. Forgive me, History is one of my major âJamsâ Never get me started on History or Celtic myth, just saying!
Maybe Human lore just doesnât interest you at all. Got it.
Clearly, because the Blood Elves and Draenei who were given more lore at that time because Blizzard had to establish them within World of Warcraft still bothers you to this day.
You are correct, it wasnât taken over by the Horde until Cataclysm. It still had an Alliance presence in Vanilla. So clearly it was somewhat of important to the Alliance, and more importantly, to the human nation of Stormwind.
Matter of opinion, but we know how you think about Human lore now donât we.
You donât consider the last remaining heir of the Stromgarde kingdom at that time as important?
Do you even care about human lore or⌠because I donât know it anymore.
Itâs cool you donât find some stories about Humans interesting. But I find that hilarious coming from you
Maybe Human lore just doesnât interest you at all. Got it.
No one says you have to find all kinds of lore interesting. I am interested by the lore of Stormwind and Kul Tiras, it doesnât mean that I have to find the lore of anything related to humans interesting.
Though this isnât even lore really, itâs story. You are arguing that the Sons of Lothar had a huge role in the storyline of TBC, which is not true at all.
Clearly, because the Blood Elves and Draenei who were given more lore at that time because Blizzard had to establish them within World of Warcraft still bothers you to this day.
When did I even say this?
Also, says the guy who is mad that humans are the main race of the Alliance, as has been the case since Warcraft II.
You are correct, it wasnât taken over by the Horde until Cataclysm.
The Forsaken did not reclaim Stromgarde in Cataclysm. They reclaimed Trolâkalar.
So clearly it was somewhat of important to the Alliance, and more importantly, to the human nation of Stormwind.
How was it important to Stormwind? They sent no troops whatsoever to the region, nor did they ever express the desire to reclaim Stromgarde back in Classic.
Matter of opinion, but we know how you think about Human lore now donât we.
Itâs not an âopinionâ. Stromgarde factually wasnât important to the overall narrative of Classic. Unlike Blackrock Mountain, Ahnâqiraj, or the Plaguelands, nothing major was taking place in Stromgarde. This is not an opinion.
You donât consider the last remaining heir of the Stromgarde kingdom at that time as important?
Not particularly, since Stromgarde was already in ruins at that point. And, given how Danath barely had any role in TBC, and had no role in any of the following 4 expansions, it seems like he wasnât important for Blizzard either.
Itâs cool you donât find some stories about Humans interesting. But I find that hilarious coming from you
I donât need to prove anything to you. Slapping humans into a story doesnât automatically make it interesting. I didnât find interesting the story of Danath, nor the story of the Syndicate, nor the story of the pirates in Stranglethorn Vale.
