Torn warlock

Classes Warlock
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Hello fellow Warlocks !

I’m a loyal warlock main since day 1 of my WoW adventure (MoP on global). Shadowlands release is the first time I’m really torn if I should continue to play lock or switch to mage. I just wouldn’t want to feel lackluster again on M+ groups.
I couldn’t even picture myself by taking Kyrian as covenant as it ruins all my estethic and lore as a lock so would probably go supbar convenant (Necrolords / Venthyr).

Can you guys advise me on what should I do ? Should I just continue to stick with warlock pride (destro) or just leave this behind and start a new adventure as a mage main in SL ?

I would really appreciate any thoughts on that. Thanks !

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I’m at the exact same point. Long story short, I wanna play PvP, Mythic raiding, M+, basically everything.

I figured out that most of the warlock fantasy I was sticking with is basically transmog… everything else got taken away.

In PvP we are no longer the tanky caster, affliction is getting stomped by melees since BFA alpha and there is no sign of fixing that, they just forced destruction on every PvPer.

In M+ the class is still lackluster and not comparable to mage/hunter/moonkin/shadow as other rdps options.

In raid they basically made us a single target specialist in BFA and now, in Shadowlands, our dots are still not doing meaningful damage. Most damage comes from Maleifc Rapture. The ability is not that bad, I just miss the multidot-identity. Multidotting feels more like a requirement for MR to deal full damage, not like actually killing something with deadly, decaying, evil dots.

For transmogs warlock is still the king and no one even comes close, so that is still working for me.

Conclusion: The Warlock class that once inspired and hooked me is gone. I am going to play mage, tired of being forced on weird PvP specs that I do not enjoy at all, tired of being 30% more effective in high M+ keys with my twink than with my main, tired of playing a multidot-class that excels in doing single-target dps.

The feedback about affliction keeps getting ignored. No transparency. No feedback from Blizzards side. No open discussion. No idea where you want the spec to be. No way for me to stick with that weird, thirsty, unfullfilling shadow of a spec that once was called Affliction Warlock and had it’s clear identity.

I’m a Mage now.
Heavy-heartedly.
I don’t want it.
Not even enjoying it.
But still better than sailing an abandoned ship.

Take care guys, at least you look good.

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Well for me i am staying Warlock whilst the damage of Affliction could / should be higher for the effort compared to a Mage or Hunter. I do believe most Warlocks are over reacting. Warlock will be fine for M+ i play Demonology and my DPS is always good (better than Affliction). It did cross my mind about Mage but then i think how boring they are all 3 specs are exactly the same just with a different colour spellcasting.

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I think warlock is not fine in pvp, we lack Survivability. But this is since Legion, the first fail was that they changed the class for Legion. Second fail is that they don’t listen to us.

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It’s good to hear that I’m not the only one thinking like that. I absolutely loved MoP iteration of warlock. Playing Destro then was a blast - remember getting green fire made me really proud to be a warlock back then. Demo with metamorphosis was awesome, super fun to play while looking badass. Hell, even legion Destro was cool with those rifts from Scepter.

But now I feel like every next iteration is just worse. Destro is boring, no shadowburn sniping - just inci-cb-inci. Demo is complete garbage with that useless pet ui - doesn’t make me feel like master of demons. Affi was always boring to me so won’t speak about it.

Former glory, transmog and class pride is all that kept me going lock through BFA. Just don’t know if it’s enough for SL as well.

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For me warlock as main stopped with the removal of Meta…
Right now i just play him to pay respect to my ever first created character.

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You’re safer as a Mage. The game is pretty much controlled by the cab drivers on Twitch/YouTube and these cab drivers will always bark for Mage buffs. Holinka has no option but to oblige, as proven already.

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I really really want to play warlock, i will never switch to mage or Priest. If caster it will be Warlock.
I guess i go for SV Hunter or MM Hunter.

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Dear gods in heaven…

All these flavor of the month “warlocks” are gonna make me throw myself off a cliff sooner rather then later!

Hello Drakkyr! In short if you are a player who switch between classes depending on who is currently riding the “hot streak” then yes Warlock is not for you as were a rollercoaster class which have frequent up´s and down´s

As for Covenants.Sims and Flavor of the Month stuff …i feel i should remind you that those all CHANGE and you should not lean on them too heavily

I was never going Kyrian myself because i knew it would change to be more balanced eventually i thought i was going Venthyr at first but now i have settled for Neko Lords…sorry “Necrolords” because decimating bolt+havoc is a god damm power trip!

But if you are worried playing a Warlock will make you leftout from stuff like Mythic + and Raids then my friend you are just silly…there has never been a expansion when Warlocks arent in high demand including this one!

We bring far more utility then any other caster class does in our health cookies and ability to resurrect other players we also have demonic gateways which can save people in a pinch

I have played lock since TBC and im just saddened when i see so many other warlocks crying and complaining “oh our class is so horrible” then i remember…those are usually the players who play whatever is the strongest for the current patch

Real Warlocks know how to bite through the pain they know were a rollercoaster and we also know that no real Warlock would EVER play a Mage !

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I did bite threw, since 2006. But they we are only a shadow of our former selfs.
I did not enjoy warlock in Legion. Still i played him for a while, same counts for bfa. Now the playstyle of Affliction is a bitter better but still we are far from our former selfs.
Dmg is good but for pvp we lack survivability.

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Personaly i think Warlocks was amazing during Legion…certainly more then they had been in MoP/Dreanor and especially now in BFA

Affliction in Legion with Ulthalesh more or less made you a demi-god which was incredible fun! did a lot of PvP during Legion and as a Affi lock we was as close to unkillable as we could be

And we dont lack “survivability” what we lack is a good and reliable movement boost! and a better interupt ability not bound to using the Fel hunter

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From a raiding POV, Warlock has been King and has overall spent the by far the most time being above average in raids since WoD. Also being necessary for certain mechanics while periodically being absolute top 3 in terms of dps is nice.

As for M+, Warlock was Meta/very Strong in the majority of Legion and decent (maybe not counting aff) overall in BFA, getting better from patch to patch.

There were patches / windows where warlock wasn’t insane, but they got buffed and scaled up sooner rather than later.

Compared to the rollercoaster rides other classes have, or even worse, being below average for the vast majority of the time we’re doing pretty well.

As for PVP I can’t tell. But according to Naze’s estimated 600 posts where he states survivability is lacking it must be harsh.

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Don’t get attached to anything, if you’re enjoying mage more then play mage, all classes are just tools in a toolbox

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More mobility for a caster that should stand still to cast its stupid. We need survivability to get our casts done. Right now if the melee train is going after us, we do nearly zero dmg.

Even as destruction sometimes the dmg will be nearly zero.

We don’t need mobility, except maybe revert gateway to its normal 70yard

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100% true, that is our biggest problem currently.

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Have you even read what I wrote or you just assumed that I’m fotm reroller ? I guess the second one.

I created my warlock on global in 2014 and never ever had other main than him. Hell, I even got 2 cutting edge with him. Hardly a fotm crybaby feature isn’t it ?

What I’m saying is warlock lost so much during this time that it doesn’t remind class I started to play in the first place. Most spells are lackluster and boring. For example back in mop or wod you could snipe low hp mobs with shadowburn while having havoc on boss. It did hell of a dmg on both targets and was super fun and engaging mechanic. Proper usage of this was what made a difference between good warlock and a bad one. Now it’s gone replaced by “pump all dmg into infernal window by squeezing in as many chaos bolts as possible”. That’s not engaging. That’s not fun. You pump one skill during cd window and then throw a wet noodle until it comes off cd.

Same for demo. Meta mechanic was awesome, leap, chaos wave, immo. You looked badass and did a ton of dmg. Now we are just turrets spamming imps or juggling 1000 buffs to try to fit in tyrant. Awful design. They did zero effort to make this “master of demons” work. Sure, idea is fine, but execution is horrible.

On a side note I decided to stick with class pride and stay warlock till his end or mine. Community on warlock forums or discord is way more supprtive and helpful

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Yeah and 99% of all Warlocks hated Meta when that came out during Cata it made you “look cool” and that was about it

For being so against the “infernal” burst method ALL you are on about is BURST damage which was Meta was gather as much energy as you can and unleash it all in Meta form…then you were back to gathering up and waiting for it to come off CD

Yes sure “Shadowburn” made the Warlock …absolutely! totes not just a PvP talent for the most part ill take searing pain over shadowburn any day of the week

You are absolutely a FOTM Player …jesus christ you complain and whine and then brag about some random achivement! Anyone with enough gold can get those…and those who earn it usually dont swing it about like their #¤"! : p

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I was about to reply to you but after that last sentence lost interest completely. Do not judge anyone based on your own experience - there are players that have cutting edge without paying for it and are proud of it. Cheers.

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Meta was not just gathering and burst, it was more. Not just her 1000 Fury and then burst. You could do more with the Fury.
Shadowburn was a good talent, bevor they removed it and then brought it back.
They destroyed so much talents of this class, i really don’t think any other class has gone under so much changes.

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Couldn’t agree more. Soulswap for affliction was really good, too.

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