He was saying the best pve gear shouldn’t come from pvp gear with pvp stats. This is true for retail, not classic, never was.
Pvp gear does not exist because no explicit pvp stat exists.
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You do know that everyone was rank 13 before BWL came out and then players complained they did it in 40mins? Rank 13 and Rank 14 is gear equivalent to tier 2 gear and this is before the introduction of resilience meaning you can use pvp gear easily in raids. So all you’re asking is to cheese the game…I want a challenge and not to complete a raid easily because I have op gear before I even go in there. xD
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I agree add ranks or let us go to 14…
Did you skip reading comprehension? Stay out discussions revolving around topics you know nothing of.
I’m asking for gear which used to exist in P1 in original classic as well as classic era to exist in P1 in SoD.
Anyone willing to commit can go get it. R14 isn’t locked behind joining a top 100 guild.
People that don’t wanna put in the effort don’t get the gear. Simple as that.
Their current iteration removes every bit of value and prestige R14 has to it.
They already made it WAY easier than it used to be by removing decay and now they wanna stagger it. Slap in the face to anyone logging in for more than 3 hours a week.
There’s no reason to ever do it if it releases alongside AQ.
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You’re the one ranting about pvp stats, mate. I don’t mind if PVP gear is good for PVE, but I do think it’s appropriate to release that gear when it is on par with the gear available from raids, rather than it being vastly superior.
No I’m not. You’re the one acting like blizzard didn’t know 20 years ago that R14 gear would be the best gear in the game when it released.
Excuse me, but do not tell anyone to stay out of a discussion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you can’t take people disagreeing with you, then don’t make a thread. I know how original classic was because I played it, but that was a time when not everyone knew what to do or what the best method was. I am honestly shocked at the otiosity of you saying stay out of this discussion…If you can’t be civil, you have no right to ask for anything.
Sorry, i was talking about retail and why it was eventually added to the game in general. Resilience.
It was the fix, to stop this dis-joint in the first place and have PvE and PvP gear both valuable to their relative mode.
Stamina is Most important stat in PvP in vanilla
Don’t be shocked at people being hostile towards you when you’re spreading misinfo about them.
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As rank 14 is a lot more attainable for the average player now than it was then or even in classic vanilla a few years ago, the reason for releasing it later only makes sense, as there would be no reason to farm raids instead of just doing PVP to get much better gear. You’re free to farm your gear however you please, but the decision to make that gear on par with other gear available is a sound one because it adds different paths of gearing for players, rather than just one which is clearly the best.
when they introduced the R14 wepons they way worse then when we got them in classic though " Grand Marshal’s Longsword
Binds when picked up
One-hand Sword
115 - 173 Damage Speed 2.90
(49.7 damage per second)
+6 Stamina
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 60
Requires Grand Marshal
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +12 Attack Power."
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" Grand Marshal’s Longsword
Binds when picked up
One-hand Sword
138 - 207 Damage Speed 2.90
(59.5 damage per second)
+7 Stamina
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 60
Requires Grand Marshal
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: +28 Attack Power."
The first one is the 1.4 version of that sword the second one is the 1.6 version of the sword. They updated them in a way to keep up with the raid drops. So one solution would be if they brought back the old once as well as they were never intended to eclipse every weapon from raids.
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Oh grow up, if you didn’t think anyone was going to say you wanted to cheese the game because you want R14 as soon as you get to 60, then you obviously didnt think before making this thread.
LOL excuse me? Grow up? You’re twisting my words saying im trying to cheese the game, showing you’re either unable to understand anything I wrote or trying to spread misinfo.
Getting the best gear by putting in the most effort in is what makes an mmo.
Where’s the incentive to play the game if absolutely everything is locked and everyone runs around in the same gear and you can’t upgrade your character by putting in time.
If you can’t farm gear through pvp because they are locking the ranks, you can’t raid because you can only clear it once a week, you can’t farm gold because nothing is worth anything because nothing is being done about the bot plague, everyone is going to have nearly identical characters. There’s no reason to put time into the game.
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You can still get the best gear every phase by doing the content available, so I don’t understand what your problem is.
The problem is that they are denying the people that would go for R14 their gear until it is equal to raidgear, R14 gear should absolutely be way better than raid gear as it requires way more effort than logging in for 2 hours per week and getting lucky on a roll.
The “pvp gear shouldnt be the best pve gear” argument is completely invalid, as I already explained that there is no explicit pvp gear as long as there are no explicit pvp stats.
The problem is that they are removing any prestige from R14 by horridly staggering the ranks.
They will probably change the pvp sets as well as rep rewards (maybe even tier sets) when we get to 60.
We also don’t know yet how easy or difficult the new system will make it to get them or how good they will be compared to the existing ones. It will be easier than original with decay but that’s all we know for now. Can’t really extrapolate from the current ranks. Even in the original system the first ranks were ridiculously easy.
So right now, extended discussions about this are probably moot
Let’s be honest here, ranking only takes a lot of time. All you do is graveyard farm pugs for hours upon hours. I don’t know if I’d consider that an effort worthy of the best gear in the game.
Time = effort.
The opinion that someone that got lucky on a drop and his roll in his first AQ40 should have the same gear as someone that grinded out R14 is just so beyond me. Unfathomable even.
The orignal devs did not agree with that. Take Brutality blade vs the 1.4 version of the Grand Marshals Longsword. Brutality blade was always better. Then you got a updated version of the Grand Marshals when BWL came out in 1.6.
If they would go back to those kinds of things then sure letting people get raid level gear from PvP would be decent but putting in a way to get weapons that are at AQ level of power when people are doing MC is stupid