[UPDATED] Mage and Paladin Tuning Incoming - 19 July

common L blizzard. They just know how to push our buttons

Nononon a lot cleared +28 +29. All mages :clown_face:

You do realise that the difference between 26 and 29 is increadibly high and only the super meta broken classes can clear them? Show me a hunter, rogue, warlock, elemental shaman, etc. clearing a +28 or +29 key. If you would look at the leaderboards - basically all of the top clears of 28-29 keys has a mage.

But sure, keep comming with personal insults, they are more viable arguments :slight_smile:

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There are literally 2 +29 runs completed ever. And they’re both the exact same comp with an AUGMENTATION EVOKER as well.

But yeah I mean - if you look at the top runs there’s a lot of mages right now but they’re pretty much all fire. I agree fire is broken.

But here’s the fun part:

Mages are OP, but here’s the population distribution:

What the actual macaronies is happening here?

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where are the personal insults? also. THERE HAS TO BE A META. how would the game work if there wasnt ? every class will NEVER be same tier. So yeah sometimes mages will be super broken or whatever you call it. but they arent SUPER broken. I would say frost nerfs are a bit Meh not too big a deal. But fire is like “wtf”

Check the the 28’s - basically all groups got a mage

And an Augmentation Evoker, Guardian Druid, Holy Paladin, and Shadow Priest. No nerfs for them?

EDIT: I think this is actually caused by Augmentation Evokers, ironically. They are insanely great with casters.

Exactly. If they nerfed augmentation a little and mages a little I think it would be balanced back to where they "intended "it to be

They are to strong atm. We always had meta, but not as broken as mages right now. And 6% nerfs are not going to break them. They are still miles ahead of a lot other dps specs, who can only dream of such power.

“only dream of such power” which mages have been doing for so long now lol. They are not miles ahead. Shadow priest is still VERY good. Wher are the nerfs for them ? and if you look at the +28 groups. its all Mage augmentation and shadow priest. Who says its the “mage” part that does all the difference

They are most certainly weaker than Shadow Priests and Augmentation Evokers though.

But why don’t we talk about how the most classic of fantasy characters - the equivalent of Diablo 4’s most popular class and one of the most beloved archetypes in pretty much all RPG’s ever made - have almost nobody playing it?

Obviously making mages OP isn’t the answer. Maybe this overhaul was it, but I honestly doubt it. People are just avoiding this class and I’d like to discuss why, because seeing mages all over the ladder but they’re only 5% of the players in +25 and above? Something is very much not right.

Also I don’t think you looked at the other groups for +28 lol. I see many with no mages at all

Don’t be ridiculous. There are A LOT of record-setting runs with mages, but they’re done by a very, very small number of mages.

I agree. Made my mage in BFA. Didn’t even log on it in shadowlands. I dont get why they first made “5% damage reduction to all abilites” for fire and then the flamestrike nerfs as well. I guess if they made it like 7,5% reduction and that was it or something? maybe that is better

wasnt replying to you lol the other guy said only mages in +28

Fire needs the nerfbat. Frost and Arcane do not, and if they do it’s their ST damage that needs a nerf, not the AoE.

This nerf makes no sense to me. That there is a nerf does make sense to me, but not that particular nerf.

agreed. it’s like “let’s buff this class. Oh shoot the players are doing too well with it lets take it down again”

Blizzard L this time. #letsmakemagebadagain

I’m not aware of how mage is doing in mythic+ or raids but these changes are absolutely crazy for pvp. Mage is currently already having to play glass canon to make up for the lack of damage.

#makecombustgreatagain

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We have 1 80% heal + 70% DR, 1 30% DR, 2 Shields and Alter time plus continous CDR through shifting to use these faster.

Ngl theres far worse then us, espically when we can reposition out of AoEs so quickly with shimmer.

Imma assume this is aimed at pve as itd be pvp exclusive nerfs if it was to hit pvp. I dont know how this will impact pvp however.