First of All 99% of High keys people wont go spirit bomb because its squishy. People go with fiery brand Build. 2nd why are you hiding on your alt?
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Dmg I agree
Self heal is a red herring criteria. As you not 3 tanks are built around the idea of self healing as a consistent part of tanking. I’d argue paladins have comparable self healing to DHs albeit theirs is spikier whilst ours is sustained.
Active mitigation - hard disagree. Ours is not the worst but the best??? Are you serious? Demon spikes is decent and meta is good but to say they’re better than combinations of other AM and big daddy Cooldowns on other tanks is laughable. Unless you’re considering other features active mitigation? Fiery brand is pretty great and if you build around it yeah it’s very good, but the best?? No way would i say DHs have the best kit here.
Kiting I agree
Utility, I agree, our utility is pretty good - we use it to help with our active tanking (ie silence) instead of having AM deal with magic damage though.
The thing is we can avoid the damage that is screwing other tanks up - the massive AAs AND keep threat. That is the core of Veng strength ATM. Other tanks can weather those big daddy blows just as well or better than we can, but they’re not the issue ATM, it’s the fact that trash packs hit super hard and we can avoid it with kiting whereas other tanks struggle to do this or have to use their big daddy CDs to facetank it. If mobs were unkitable for example or didn’t hit as freaking hard you’d no way see people harping on about this to this degree.
Let’s not forget Brewmaster is the king of physical mitigation.
A “tad more” ? I am talking 8.5K-11K DPS on trash adds in Nathria…
Since when is trash significant?
If a DH tank is beating you on DPS. That’s 100% a you problem lol. They have huge burst for 1 second with kyrian sygial. Outside of that about 3k-3.5k DPS for AoE on a well geared veng, best veng in the world is doing 4kish in keys. Any DPS can do 6kish in the big pulls they do. No excuse for a veng to beat you in any form of DPS unless they massively out gear you, or you can’t play your class very well.
Now tell me how kuch others tanks can pump.
Yes, saying vdh has more dmg than actual DD is wrong, but if u compare dmg of tanks u have VdH on top and rest on very bottom with palies somehow in middle.
Dunno can’t speak for them all, but not a million miles off. My brew does 2.5k-3k, same for my prot pally. Guardian mate I run most keys with does 2.5kish. Not played with many wars so dunno. Not denying veng does more damage, there about 500dps in 10-15 keys more then most for sure. Mainly due to how obscene kyrian sygil is though, when tuning comes it’s 100% gonna be on the chopping board.
cries as old warrior main
Then you must do rlly bad AoE dps because my vengeance DH cant do 25 - 35 K dps as a arcane mage/fire mage or warlock/boomkin? So ye maybe learn to play your class! Thx in regards a VDH.
Maybe you ought to play a few tanks, Paladin, Druid, DH - and see for yourself.
To be fair, the fiery brand build is the most boring spec in game and I would rather uninstall than play it.
-Doesnt have fire sigil from infernal strike - so they dont time it for constant aoe dps check
-Doesnt have sigil of chains, so you cant stack creeps
-Doesnt have spirit bomb, so you are only spamming soul cleave
etc
and to be fair as gear gets better, so does shield block value, so warriors and paladins are definitly gonna shine later on imho, while I think blood dks will never be balanced due to their class relying on selfheal pretty much entirerly
Just delete this stupid completely marketing related class, problem solved. Making such a class after monk was a total dumb idea
Its about havoc. People just tend to write only DH even if they should put havoc into the titles. Havoc is in the gutter atm not venge. If i enjoyed tanking i would switch but i dont. Also im not kyrian which i think is the skill thats giving vengeance the silly dps they have atm.
oh well those are the same people who are always below the tank in leveling dungeons as well.
I leveled 4 tanks and every time I am around 2k+ dps as tank and all the dps hover around 500-1k dps and crying for nerfs. Meanwhile you get someone who owns a keyboard doing easily 3k with the pulls you do.
same scenario, same people, just different content.
Will never change
as pally I pump between 2.5k - 3k. Mainly though because I cannot do large pulls before falling flat on my nose.
I hate to share hp on WoG and SotR. If I use a non free WoG because the healer cannot keep up, it will punish me hard as soon as SotR runs out and I got no HP. Either I need a big cd or I just die. Couldve just used the big cd earlier then…
Give WoG 12s CD back and make it free… Also fixes the problem in pvp somewhat.
albeit they are beating only bad dps -_- good dps with good aoe burst are miles above VDHs .
that said i think that there is a price to pay for it - VDHs are much squisheir then other tanks outside of that short burst window on aoe trash packs if not kiting mobs .
Ok take a kyrian dwarf paladin:
How he face tanks a big pack:
- uses covenant Phial to remove stacks
- uses dwarf racial to remove stacks
- uses bubble for 0.5s to remove stacks
- ask mage friend to use frost nova after inspired mob is dead - use freedom to walk where you without getting rooted
… so where is the problem exactly?
Also im quite sure all tanks go above 10 stacks. You dont really need to care about stacks until your health is dropping faster than mobs are dieing
Sounds like you have some l2p issues just based on your “10 stacks” comment.
Also asking a pug player to help you with nova/root certainly doesnt require voice comms
sounds like youre mad cus youre bad m8
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