Like words for gods and men, the word *elf* is used in personal names where words for monsters and demons are not.[[66]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHall200755–62-66) Just as *álfar* is associated with *[Æsir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86sir)* in Old Norse, the Old English *Wið færstice* associates elves with *ēse* ; whatever this word meant by the tenth century, etymologically it denoted pagan gods.[[67]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHall200735–63-67) In Old English, the plural *ylfe* (attested in *Beowulf* ) is grammatically an [ethnonym](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnonym) (a word for an ethnic group), **suggesting that elves were seen as people**
Elves having a more goblin like appearance seem to have devolved near the late middle ages. Before that it varies what they were seen as, but quite a few civilizations considered them more human-like, especially in Nordic mythology, where they were depicted as beautiful.
I just have to say thankyou for posting this rather detailed rebuttal of the OP’s somewhat tenuous logic. I feel a little petty for saying so but it was genuinely pleasing to see such a categorical schooling, and I learned some fun new facts about Celtic mythology at the same time.
3% overall along with Void Elves. Pretty much the average for anything not human/belf/nelf. This was even after having it locked behind a reputation grind so…
That’s funny Brigante. You did not say I was wrong about Taurens but yet insist I was wrong about other races while I didn’t even bring other races up besides Orcs and Elves (to which you couldn’t refute it).
No need to lecture me on other races, we’re talking about Vulpera. To which they’re just blatant copies of real life desert foxes turned humanoid.
Oh wait I got it. They just looked at ratchet and clank, gave clank to the Alliance while giving ratchet to the Horde
True that! Tinker Bell is not as nice as Disney would have you think. Let’s not forget, this is a creature that can be brought back from the dead simply by clapping your hands and -believing-, so it’s longevity is assured by commanding faith in it’s existence.
That…that is kind of what a God is, isn’t it?
Even worse, that means for it to prove it needs to exist, it needs to do some mad shiz so that you -believe- in it. That would drive an entity to some pretty desperate measures. It (Because it is a Faerie, so not a he or she) knocks around with a bunch of children who are kept in a perpetual state of youth (The Lost Boys) who are dependent upon it for their eternal youth (So not a million miles away from the Elves who stole Children away to Faerieland (Or Tir N’a Nog, or the Summerlands, or whatever name you want to give it) and kept them young as long as you hung around with them, and if you left them, you aged and returned to mortality.
Tinker Bell was pretty horrific if you look at it objectively. “As long as you amuse me, you will never grow old”
(Yes, this is where the name of the 80’s Vampire film ‘The Lost Boys’ was taken from )
That sucks, I know people with ME, it is about as far south from groovy as you can get, my sympathies. That is sympathies, not pity. just to clarify
Celtic Mythology in particular is massively my jam. I do LARP (When there isn’t a killer virus running around everywhere) and the Faction I am in, is called the Fir Cruthen, who are based on the four large Celtic nations of Caledonia (Scotland) Cymrja (Wales) Manx (Err…uh, Manx) and Erin (Ireland) and I am one of the people who runs the Faction (There are nine of them all with different cultures, its a big game, more than a thousand people) So Celtic mythology is massively my thing, it was even before to be honest, but was only reinforced by that. Thats why I know all the Elf legends when it comes to the British Isles and Celtic myth, even down to the obscure facts about elf-stones, elf-shot, horseshoes on doors, Lady Eleanour, Queen Mab, why we have ‘First Footing’ in the North of England, why a Knocker or Knucker is a friend to Miners, and Black Shuck, and all the horrible stuff from legend. Thats why I don’t think Elves are -nice-!
Actually, If you read it. I did. You stated the Taurens(sic) should live in Labyrinths, I pointed out that only one such creature ever did, that being the Minotaur who was a unique creature, Other Bull Like creatures did not. The Minotaur was unique to the legend about Theseus.
I also did refute what you said about Orcs and Elves, in quite some detail, and explained why. Do you actually read other people’s posts, or just assume you know what they are saying?
And you have yet to answer the basic question, so let us try it a third time.
Why do you think that a desert survivalist species, with keen problem solving abilities, a reason to hate the Alliance with a nomadic culture, and a willingness to ally, does -NOT- belong with the Horde? Can you answer that one?
Oh…-That- is your level of argument. Grow up and try answering sensibly will you, or just drop it. If ‘Ratchet and Clank’ is your level of argument, you need to give your head a wobble.
Well, I am a gentleman of some seasoned years, so have never read a Twilight book, but am a gentleman of an age who was (and some would argue still am) an unrepentant Goth, (The progenitors of Emo…Yes, on behalf of a generation, we are very sorry) so I am very aware of Poppy Z Brite’s works, and read most of them.
I’d say ‘The Lost Boys’ are much more similar to Poppy Z Brite vampires, with a dash of Anne Rice.
Have you not seen the film? Why but you must, you must! It is a classic!
But yeah, definitely more Poppy Z Brite, not Twilight. Even the protagonist character is not a brooding emo who sparkles and is weirdly mentally abusive to his human love interest, but kind of gets caught up in the hedonistic attitude of “Heck, I live for ever, never get old, can party all night, this is awesome!”
Also a chance to see where Kiefer Sutherland cut his acting chops, and has an amazing soundtrack and setting. In fact quite a few big names starred in it, in minor roles…
It is genuinely well worth a watch, because it isn’t Vampires being all gloomy and introspective, but what, lets be honest, we’d all have been like if we got turned into a Vampire at 20 years old…
As a millennial and a goth, I can confirm that we had emo’s in the 90s too - they were known as ‘placebo fans’ (light-weights, basically)
Nicky Wire was our hero for slicing his arm up on live tv (whether this was staged or now, I don’t know, but it was still awesome). NME printed posters of it, which we put on our bedroom walls.
Kids these days are light-weights. They are also on my lawn. Shoo!
I will watch the film, thanx Brigante, never change. You’re like the woman in the story of the Books of Knowledge, except you don’t return and delete half whenever refuted, and do not ask for renumberation at all, so you’re not doing it right. Pearls before swine, in it’s original meaning - Douglas Adams would be proud.
But it’s the best place to loiter. It’s 110% better when old man Brigs hobbles out and shakes his walking stick at you. He really goes the extra mile with his old geezer routine.
Yes, yes… we get that your headcannon of warcraft doesn’t include humor, but reality is it always did. Problem is you, not the game.
Gnomes, goblins, vulpera, mechagnomes are all cool and part of warcraft. Hate all you want, they are here to stay.
In fairness “Nancy Boy” is an awesome track to dance to, and whilst “Pure Morning” has on reflection some dodgy lyrics, it is also good. And even as a straight guy, Damn but Brian Molko had it going on!
Nicky Wire was brilliant. I didn’t like seeing that on TV. Because I was old enough to see it and go “No, this ain’t ending well,” because I was a Manics fan before Richey disappeared (and they never have found a body) and I was like," no, this is not that cool at all, I get it, but no…"
“The Holy Bible” was the best album the Manic Street Preachers ever released. I will fight anyone outside my local pub carpark at midnight who disagrees, pistols or sabres, I’m good with both.
Other albums of theirs had tracks that were brilliant. ‘Motorcycle Emptiness’ is just fantastic, but as a whole album, “the Holy Bible” is killer. It’s not easy listening, but it such a contained, detailed set of work with such sheer power behind it.
And watch “The Lost Boys.” It’s one of those Films. It has everything in it. Horror, love, humour, action, great soundtrack, beautiful cinematography.
In fact I would go as far as to say that it is an iconic 80’s film that ranks up there alongside ‘The Breakfast Club’. And to equal -that- film, means it has to be good
But I am doubly triggered bc my name is lorne and my neighbour keeps threatening to mow me.
@Brigante. Didn’t Anne Rice have L’stat (sp?) bite Christ whilst he was being crucified, having travelled in time somehow? Didn’t all her fans have to send her back a page from her book in order to get a refund? Didn’t she rant on t’interwebs b4 we had twitter?
As the kids say. ‘Get rekt!’.
I’ll stick to Poppy Z Brite and Robin Jarvis for my edginess, thanx - I like Carpe Jugulum, though. It’s not graphic, but it’s ‘real.’ To me, anyway. Otherwise I avoid anyithng about vampires written after 1990, and will continue to until I hear that they have stopped being lame.Thus I am happy.
There was a woman in New Zealand claiming to channel him, but I think they chucked her off the internet like David Icke. I didn’t know about this until I randomly watched a mediumship video where the woman on the podium credited a book called ‘Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Emptyness’ and I was like, wtf, so looked it up. On a serious note, though, it looks like his family may have had something to do with it, as she was trying to get meetings. I hope her mental health as improved by now, and she can title books without confusing them with songs.
LOL we used to fight the chavs outside the metal bar. They kept coming back, and so did we. Kids now don’t seem to be so much like this, which gives me hope for the human race.
Yes the Holy Bible is the best. And everything I like loses its edge/gets it forcibly removed - that’s how it sometimes feels, anyway.
I saw Placebo live. They played for 3 hours straight. One day, I will make BM watch me live for 3 hours straight, thus balance will be restored. But I still like their music in small doses, like Absinthe.
I’d say you’re missing out. Vampire: the Masquerade setting is quite good. I also like the Underworld movies, though admittedly that is one of the more watered-down flavours of vampirism. They got most things right though, imo. Dracula Untold was also a good piece of entertainment.
Is that like the hamfisted moment where just about everyone hates everyone else, or is it only hamfisted when it is a race you don’t like?
They were a desert survivalist people who seemed to be cool with trading with the Zandalari. The Horde helped them out in the person of the player character, the Horde are friendly with the Zandalari, the Alliance rock up and start attacking them and burning caravans -because- they are trading with the Zandalari and by extension the Horde. In the face of this aggression, do you think they are more likely to be friendly with the Alliance or Horde?
The Mechagnomes share a common heritage with the Gnomes of Gnomeregan, whilst the Horde have never acted directly against them, they have far more in common with the Alliance, via the Gnomes, than they do with the Horde.
There you go. Just did.
Oh Gawd yes she did. Which was ridiculous writing. Lestat de Lioncourt was a better character the way he was at the start, an arrogant, cocky young French Nobleman prior to the Revolution. Her writing suffered when she tried to turn him into some bizarre Vampire Messiah. There should only have been two books. “Interview with the Vampire” and “the Vampire Lestat” which gave two sides of the stories of the protagonists, in the first, you side with Louis, in the second you kind of side with Lestat, because as much of an arrogant douchecanoe as he is, he is a -likeable- arrogant douchecanoe. “Queen of the Damned” is when it all went wrong, in my opinion, when she started to Hype Lestat up too much. He was fine the way he was! He was a product of his mortal time, thrust into the modern world, she should have left it with those two, they were perfect. Everything afterwards was just self indulgent pap. Did you ever have the misfortune to read “Memnoch the Devil” Where Lestat changes bodies with Satan or something, then into a mortal body of a chap who is called David, before then getting his own body back and then turning David into a Vampire, or Louis does, somebody does anyway.
Most Hack writing that I have seen since Steve Danuser got his hands on Nathanos Marris…
There’s £3.99 I will never get back again! (And that tells you how long ago I bought that book!)
‘Carpe Jugulum’ is good though, Sir Pratchett was like a fine wine, he grew better with age, his first three books “The Colour of Magic” “The Light Fantastic” and “Equal Rites” ironically were in my opinion his weakest, he hit his stride with “Mort” and by the time he hit “Wyrd Sisters” and “Guards, Guards” he was absolutely on his complete ‘A-Game’ no questions about it. Granny Weatherwax and Sam Vimes are two of the bets written and most humanly relatable characters in modern fiction, without a doubt.
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This. So MUCH THIS!
Brilliant tabletop RPG, easy rules, brilliant setting, in fact one of the best settings with such rich history.
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