I mained undead since MoP.
Then we got vulpera with their itty bitty toe beans, and bushy tails.
:3
Its nice to have a cute race to play.
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I dont get the fuzz. Game evolves over alot of expansions, you can still play your favorite playskin.
Do you rather want wow to die because thats generally what stale games get to be that dont evolve… lol
As if I have the time to argument with Brigante 
It’s useless anyway if he insists that he is right.
Because he just can’t admit he’s putting things in other people’s mouths and making a strawman out of it 
Aye and they do not belong in the Horde.
They still are a joke of a race. They clearly were intended to cater to a certain online community cough.
Because the Elves were clearly a Tolkien adaption rather than an European folklore. If you want to truly make it “humans vs elves”, you wouldn’t be playing Elves in the first place. Because Elves in European myths and folklore were depicted as fairies, demons, goblins, etc. Small little pests or little angelic things. That is until Tolkien made them humanoid, and now we’re here.
You complain about Tolkien’s representation of Orcs but don’t seem to mind his presentation of Elves quite so.
Second of all, Orcs were corrupted creatures, they were Elves who were corrupted by darker forces.
Kind of how Orcs were depicted in the first 2 RTS games.
You do know your playing a race that has been genocided till about 10% were left and you’re hitting on the Orcs because they like to fight? Lol
“Dude they belong in the Horde because their real life equivelant are massacring chickens!”
This is a joke right? Lmao
Yes those are animal instinct, but I as a human would be more terrified of a lion or tiger using his predatory skills than a fox who is shy of humans in the first place.
Why even bring such silly things up 
Don’t see much of an argument beside the little circle going on because a lot of people agreed with my OP 
no offence
And them being “desert survivalists”. Blizzard can write whatever they want without making much sense of it.
I’ve never seen a Vulpera use any of the class abilities when I was questing through Vol’dun. Not one of the NPC’s were using a spell of lets say Shaman, mage or warlock.
There simply wasn’t a Vulpera who used these things. Not once did a Vulpera cast a fireball or summon a demon. Which is why so many people were surprised they were introduced as a race, because they simply didn’t give them anything to stand on.
Like yeah, Blizzard gave them classes now, but have you actually seen a Vulpera NPC represent a class besides a rogue like warrior?
No
So Blizzard was lazy.
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3 out of my 4 favourite characters are Tauren, and I just finished levelling a Vulpera.
Does this make me a Furry?
Also, I would expect a little more racial tolerance from a smelly skeleton 
“My character is an undead so that means I solely play undead”
Taurens aren’t really furries, or that well liked by actual furries. More like minotaurs who I don’t think are that very furry like.
NOW if you’ve seen the Disney edit of Taurens, then yes, they would’ve been a furry race
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I was merely having a joke, my undead friend. Some of Coriandra’s best friends are skeletons!
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The horde is a faction of outcasts and oddities. From rotting undead to peaceful upright cows. The Vulpera fit just fine with this faction.
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I am not sure why would it matter if you have seen any of them cast mage or warlock spells for that matter. Warlock is an odd choice for them, which likely were a decision made from a gameplay perspective. I guess they salvaged the knowledge from somewhere, same way as Humans have stolen the knowledge from orcs back in Vanilla?
Just like how, you know, forsaken can be Holy and Disc priests, and you can seldom see their NPCs use Smite, which technically should burn them.
There are plenty of race and class combinations around that technically do not make sense (Kul’tiran mages, Nightborne Monks, Draenei Shamans or to an extent Undead Monks as well.)
And as a note on elves you really should read up on your folklore. I did not see any depiction of elves in old folklore as small or fairy like. Their description was more human-like in germanic mythology. Fairies seem to have been a common variant in Scotland, but their naming implied that they were more considered to be human-like than anything else.
Warcraft III was my first Warcraft game, thank you. Orcs are vicious bastards, unless they get strong leadership from someone like Thrall. Every other time, they always revert to savages.
From around the Late Middle Ages, the word elf began to be used in English as a term loosely synonymous with the French loan-word fairy in elite art and literature, at least, it also became associated with diminutive supernatural beings like Puck, hobgoblins Robin Goodfellow, the English and Scots Brownie, and the Northumbrian English Hob.
Later on Elves got “romantisized” in the 19th century to where we are now.
I’d call Doomhammer, Eitrigg, Saurfang and the like anything but savages.
Else Humans would be the imperial racist bastards they were depicted as in the old RTS games.
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You have one point: Eitrigg. Doomhammer and Saurfang are bastards that the Hordes likes to idolize so much, while they pretend they’re good now. They named a city after motherfragging Kargath.
Yes because Orcs are a warrior culture and that’s how they rever their warriors.
Do you want Orcs to copy the humans who only rever the goodest of goods?
Seems to me you’re not a fan of Orcish culture but that doesn’t mean you want to make them as bland as other races.
It’s not about what I’m a fan of or not. It’s about orcs and vulpera not being all that different. Besides vulpera being foxes.
You’re making blind statements here.
You’re saying vulpera are a disrespect to the Horde. I’m saying they’re just like the orcs. Unless you think orcs are also a disrespect to the Horde, you’re the one making blind statements.
They’re not like the Orcs at all. Seems to be you’re not familiar with the Orcs their background.
Just because they took residence in a desert (Durotar used to be a jungle in WC3) doesn’t mean anything, since the Orcs hail from Snow and jungle like areas from Draenor.
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Okay, you have not read any of my comments at all. Or are really bad at trolling.
You say Orcs are a disrespect.
You say you played Warcraft 3.
You don’t remember Orcs building the Horde and the oaths they made with the Tauren and Trolls.
How do you come to that conclusion that they are a disrespect when they’re the people who build the Horde
Besides your disdain for their warrior culture
Okay, let me repeat myself for the last time.
You say vulpera are desert dwelling, murderous, stealing, cannibalistic (what?) foxes.
Orcs are desert dwelling, murderous and stealing. The only things they’re not are cannibalistic (neither are vulpera) or foxes.
So if those traits are what makes vulpera a disrespect to the Horde, then so are the orcs.
The entire point is - orcs are not a disrespect to the Horde. And vulpera are just like them. Therefore, vulpera are not a disrespect to the Horde.
I cannot explain this in any simpler terms. If you still do not understand this, then you are a lost cause.
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Well it would be pretty pointless going into an argument if you thought you were wrong wouldn’t it?
You missed the point where I said that is what I was doing in order to try and show how the argument wasn’t true?
But -Why-? I have yet to see a sensible answer as to why they do not?
Says you. Do you have any evidence at all, that Blizzard suddenly went “Oh, we need to cater to the ‘furry’ market”?
You what?
Have you time to hear about the Twlwyth Teg, the Tuatha de Danaan, the Aos Sidhe, the Alfar and Svart Alfar, of Celtic and Norse myth? Very much Elves, Very much not tiny winged fairies. Very similar to Blood Elves in fact.
Which I said I did not, but was again using it to represent the fallacy of the argument, but I am just going to pick you up on this, because you are rather hilariously completely incorrect. Elves in European myths and folklore were -Not- fairies, demons and goblins etc (Though the latter were classed as part of the ‘Fae’ Which is different from tiny winged ‘Fairies’) You are 100% incorrect without a shadow of a doubt.
They were never such things until -shock horror- the Catholic Church got its claws in and did a hatchet job. The old Pagan religions and myths got completely re-written, from things such as stealing the Celtic New Year (Samhain) and renaming it Hallow’s Eve, to stealing Yule and making it Christmas, Eostre becoming Easter, to stealing the creatures of myth and transforming them into more ‘Christian friendly’ ideas.
Good grief, where do you think Tolkien got -his- idea of Elves from? He certainly didn’t invent the idea of what they look like in modern fantasy, Tolkien didn’t invent these things, heavens no, he took them -from- our original myths and folklore.
Actually I do. Tolkien is responsible for massively mishandling Elves as well as doing a disservice to Orcs, both of which already existed as folklore a long, long, long time before he was even born.
Tolkien gave us this entirely -false- idea that Elves were ‘good’ aligned, and would automatically side with Dwarves and Humans. Which was entirely nonsense, as any serious student of Celtic, or Norse mythology would be able to tell you. Elves were selfish, capricious and pragmatic, Dwarves also. Neither was predisposed to buddying up with humans, but would sometimes help. When there was something in it for them.
Oddly, with Blood Elves Blizzard have actually got Elves more ‘myth-proper’ than Tolkien ever did.
Only in Tolkien’s Books. That is literally the only source that has that as their creation method, everywhere else (Correctly) does not link them to Elves at all, they are a species of creature in their own right, as they were in our real world myths. Don’t get me wrong, Tolkien’s idea was interesting, but it is no more true than saying Orcs came from another planet, which is just the Warcraft take on it, and works in that setting, but is equally just that setting. Legends and myths of Orcs existed long before the writers of Warcraft were born, and long before Tolkien was born.
Err, Yes? Yes and No. The First bit I certainly know, and so what of it? The second bit I was more bashing a mentality some people have when it comes to what the Horde is. You’re not really making a point there, or perhaps you could word it better if you think you are?
No, as you would know if you had read what I typed I was debunking this idea that Foxes are all “Awwww innit cute!” By highlighting the fact that real life Foxes are not ‘Cute’ as such. Sure they -look- nice, but they are murderous savages. Oh wait, we’re back to Elves again…
And rightly so. I’ll grant you that. Know why? You could probably easily kill a fox as a grown adult human, whereas a Lion or Tiger out-masses you, has better natural weapons and can kill you. Now, Give the Fox opposable thumbs, the ability to coordinate with others, sentience -and- sapience, tool using intelligence -and- the ability to use firearms and would you still be so sure of your chances? Because that is what a Vulpera is.
Because I’m not the one suggesting they are cute? It is pretty obvious if you read the thread…
So why bother believing anything Blizzard write then? You can’t just write off the established lore around Vulpera, without treating the other races to the same scrutiny. Why believe anything Blizzard write about -their- game if you think you can just pick and choose the bits that suit your agenda?
Is that it? Is that your sole objection? Vulpera are not the only game race you could say that about, you know, and the funny thing is, sometimes we see Blizzard have races use abilities that belong to classes that the playable version of the race -can’t- be. (Looking at you Grimtotem Rogues and Draenei Rangari with yer stealth…)
So don’t try to use that as some reason why the race is bad, when this has been a thing for ages.
Oh, and apparently the Vulpera racial leader, Kiro is a Shaman.
According to some here, I am sorry to inform you that yes it does… I know, I know, I don’t make these rules, I have a Tauren and Vulpera too, and a Worgen…
Yes they are. If Vulpera are Furries, then so are Worgen, Tauren, Forest Trolls and arguably to a degree Draenei (In the sense of anthro)
You can’t have it both ways.
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