Wauw.
I rest my case pal. Not about to walk into that one.
Which I did, but your argument doesn’t go against mine, it went straight above it.
Regardless, this’ll be the last reply from me.
Rest your case? You have no opinion on this?
- You said a survey of 79 players is not a source.
- Does that mean forum posts by 79 complainers about 1v10 are not a source?
After reading many posts from various complainers, this type of question would stump most of them, so don’t feel bad.
It’s an unanswerable question, because there is only one response, and it contradicts your previous statement, which ego prevents you from admitting.
My argument is logical. That’s the problem you have with it. Players do have choice, fact. Some choose the easy way, solo and attempt to get quests done quick. But not all. I provided evidence for that, which because it conflicts with your opinion, it’s not a source. Then, I point out the flaw in your statement, and suddenly the discussion is over. What you could have done, was accept both forum and survey are sources, and discuss from there. But no, ego got in the way.
You assume I’ve contradicted myself. What you’ve done is miss my point. The point isn’t that Horde are actually outnumbered on the shard, it’s that regardless of that, the alliance always have higher than 10% on their WM buff whenever I see them, which speaks to a balancing issue when it comes to the buff. You’re trying really hard, but getting nowhere. Again, work on your reading.
If that is your point, ok. Bonus is based on region balance, not zone balance. Number you see in zone has nothing to do with bonus, it’s lfg, player distribution, etc.
Again, you’re assuming I don’t know that. I’m saying it’s not how it should work, as it doesn’t frickin work. You’ve picked a side on this and decided to ignore any actual points, I’d go as far as to say you have picked a side and decided to not properly read other points of view, because this is the third time I have to explain a simple point to you.
As a matter of fact, I’m not the one throwing out insults. Nobody’s ego here is hurt but yours.
I don’t want to discuss with you because I can tell by your attitude it’ll be a hellride and non-progressive. I believe that’s a choice I have.
Rather than just dismiss the topic at hand, which by the way, we weren’t talking about the same topic, you throw assumptions at me and insult me.
I don’t believe I need any advice from someone like you on what to do ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Oh look, you assumed I was talking to you and not to Vaeyn. Meaning you are both guilty of assumptions.
His message is marked as a reply to Vaeyn’s.
Perhaps you wanna check who my reply is aimed at
Oh shoot, I’m the frickin frick. My bad.
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Well, by discussing, we get past assumptions right?
- Fact: Extra bonus is designed to bring region balance closer.
- Fact: Until recent patch, it worked to bring region balance closer.
- Probable: After a period of time, extra bonus will likely return to flipping between 15% and 20%, rather than the max 30%.
- Probable: An extra bonus based on zone faction balance would not bring region balance closer.
- Probable: An extra bonus based on zone, would lead to excessive shard hopping. Which means a large increase in players appearing disappearing. According to forum and survey, no one wants that.
- Probable: Drop extra bonus, and region balance steadily worsens, at least back to what it was before it was introduced. That means an increase in Horde overflow shards, which based on forum posts, were unpopular and meant unchallenged bonus, and contributed to worsening the region balance.
- Probable: Drop bonus entirely, lose a large % of wmers. Not just pure pveers, but a large number of pve+pvpers. Larger the volume in wm, the easier to balance shards, but ofc blizz want a good volume wm pop.
Pretty logical? Am I right? Debateable. Better to discuss. We all get attached to our own opinions, but maybe you can agree it’s not a simple situation with a simple solution. Imo, wm is currently set up in a least worst way that is very playable, if in it for wpvp. How people feel about wm, inevitably depends on their motivations for wm on.
Suggestions I’ve seen for changes, have easy to spot flaws, that the poster cannot accept, because that means letting go of a strong belief. Human nature. Or, it can be discussed.
Insults? What insults? My ego isn’t hurt, I’m motivated to discuss.
No, it’s because you can’t respond to my point. Because it means accepting my point. I wasn’t insulting you talking about ego. It’s the case that you cannot answer the question, a simple question, because it requires accepting you were wrong on one point.
You are a poor debater, but I’ve seen much worse on here 
Kinda proving my point, and Pwnographer’s point, when we say you basically just assume stuff and act based on that.
Good day.
Assumptions are a reason to discuss, get past those assumptions. I’m willing. I’ve responded to op with my reasoning. He may accept, not accept, dismiss… but I hope op says why he disagrees, and that would seperate him from your kind.
You are grasping at straws, trying to make at least one valid point to end the discussion in a way that satisfies your ego.
But you are deflecting from the elephant in the room, your giant flawed point, that when challenged on, you have no answer for.
That’s fine. You can just admit you are wrong. Or say you are not wrong, and explain why. But no, you just end the discussion, rather than see it through to a logical conclusion.
Now that part of discussion is left hanging, no way to proceed. Nice going.
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You discourage forum users from discussing.
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You end discussions when asked a question that would require you to back down on one point.
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You use cheap deflection techniques, claiming insults, when there was none. But yes, I’ve seen worse deflection.
This all looks like you are not here to discuss. On a discussion forum. Yet, you want me to be the one to stop?
Can you respond to this and continue the debate?
Oh boy, I already said I’d stop replying but oh well.
No. Assumptions are there as a compensation for a lack of facts. If you want a discussion based on facts, then you should start by removing this from the equation.
Uh yeah, sure, if you say so buddy. I don’t think you realise the irony in this.
As a matter of fact, you could just continue your discussion in peace. You’re writing me these long paragraphs on how I want my ego satisfied and how “my kind” are just here to ruin your forum, which essentially contributes to the halt of the topic at hand.
Newsflash pal, I don’t wish to discuss with someone who’s toxic.
Do me a favour and quote where I said that.
I made an assumption…
Morg said this…
I responded…
You said…
Which to me sounded like you were agreeing with morg, I assumed.
You also said…
Ye, looks like bruised ego on my part. I apologize. I was annoyed with morg, but you responded first, in a way that made me assume you agreed with morg. Maybe you do, but you didn’t say it. Point about you telling me to stop, retracted. I still disagree on your other points, and you refuse to debate them.
So ye assumptions, ego, discuss, get to the truth. Someone says something in a debate, it gets taken wrongly, discuss. Someone makes statements without backing them up, discuss. I’m all for that.
Getting back on track after your deflecting… although you didn’t outright tell me to stop, you ended the discussion at a point where you would be required to retract a point. To me, that’s a certain ‘kind’ of forum dweller.
Is it toxic to discuss? Or toxic to end a discussion because responding to a point feels like losing an argument? Imo toxic is ending debate.
But, branding me toxic is more deflection. I stand by my clutching at straws statement. You can’t answer a question, that counters a point you raised, and I am simply requesting an answer, in order to continue debate.
I did not clearly state my stance yet. If one is not a source, neither is the other. If neither are sources, opinions on forum are dismissed as well. If both are a source, forum opinion is clearly divided on wm. Ofc, it’s forum post and forum survey opinions we are talking about, which are both a tiny fraction of player base. So the data we have is only an estimate of overall opinion.
But question… are inept solo player concerns about 1v10 valid in a multiplayer pvp hard mode? Or should they change their expectations, and accept wm for what it is… a gankathon. Dare I say it, change their strat? Or not, but live with consequence?
Maybe I am wrong on the above, I should be challenged then. That’s not toxicity, it’s debate. Is the above ego related for me? Am I overly attached to my point? Demonstrate it, like you did with my previous poor counter to your deflection.
If you don’t respond, we can ASSUME you agree, survey is a valid source. If you disagree, say it. But if survey is an invalid source, so are forum posts.
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