Maybe because a lot of healers have no clue how to play around the warlocks port.
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against bm hunt/other pet classes they also cast tyrant/ or near by a pillar after the port.
Hand of guldan is anyway something else, u kick it 4 sec after it he just cast it again like nothing happend
nobody talking about the heal, its to prevent the enemy to do a go. (close to no healer especially in shuffle dispell coil)
u still have 2.
na i dont, maybe for 1 season then they get buffed because of Pve and they are back to the menu
the thing is, everyone hating on Affli/destro, but u dont know how refreshing it is, to not have Demo warlock as the overlord spec for wl in pvp to annoy other people
its the same as removing bm from arena, tell me one guy what likes to play into an (good) demo warlock what knows how to use coil/port/ stun correctly, or Bm hunter what just W spam you
i mean with another caster on the back he can or am i wrong?
like i said i dont play ww anymore, i also dont play fury warri, or outlaw either (so i dont know the exact pov)
i can guess because of streams, but every class have a counter
what should i say about classes what can remove bleeds?
or ww monks what kill me 100-0 with barkskin up just because of lucky slicing winds crit?
My Pov, opener Wl bursting him he use Death pact while being Stunned absorb is 6 or 8 mio? nothing happens, back to the other target
why is the Wl Survivalbility Bad ?
Healthstone, Gate/Port Coil Death pact then in the best case he also have a rsham as heal standing like a afk bot in earthen wall
For an istant reactive spell donât need to rework the entire spec
i get now what u mean, i mean this can be possible
im not sure if this arms race is the right direction, at the end every caster throws instants around and it isnt a caster anymore, and focus Homogenization
i would prefer to nerf some range mobility/ and prune Meele Uptime a bit but i have anyway no right´s to decide
Atleast the forum is there to gather some feedback
My first Main was Wl too, and i liked the Demo spell what Allowed me to instantly Summon another Pet when my Pet got Killed before, otherwise it was Impossible to get it back without getting Kicked/Stunned all over again.
Bro tyrant is useless and deals 0 damage nowadays. We onmy cast due just so we can extend vikefiend/dreadstalkers which also deal pathetic numbers.
Okay? Hand of gulâdan doesnât deal any damage. Hence why nothing happened. Youâre better off kicking shadowbolt than Hand.
Oh right grimoire felguard which is also a 2min cd with a 3sec stun and shadowfury a castable aoe stun with a 1min cd thatâs also 3 seconds.
The difference between demo and BM is huge. You can actually punish the lock whereas BM can stand in the open or behind pillar and pump out more damage playing with 3 fingers.
The only solution is to bring back MoP/WoD demo or atleast legion (minus the demonic empowerment spam)
its healthier for the game, then the current bm(demo wl designe)
isnt it the builder to be able to do dmg?
As warlock. Not as affli, but as warlock. You are literally the target 24/7 no matter what specc you are on.
Destro and affli are equally squishy. Demo does have Soul Link but frankly, with the explosive damage there is currently it doesnât do anything.
Also demo has to cast way more than affli. Vilefiends and Tyrant are the only damage casts you can cast behind pillar (so not âhalf its kitâ) but Tyrant isnât doing anything without a certain amount of pets out. Tyrant damage is more or less irrelevant, itâs about buffing the pets. If you get a frost mage (that you mentioned) itâs even worse. Rooted pets donât do any damage at all.
Not sure why you are bringing race into this. Are you a racist?
???
Anyways, youâre right, i could and should have delved into it further instead of just bringing a one-liner. I have played a lot as demo this season and a lot on the other speccs and demo just feels awful. Damage is non existant, the tools are useless because the damage even in these âsmallâ windows on you are almost unhealabe and you have to cast almost everything unless it procs. Also the set bonus does nothing.
Same lol, i saw there were new posts here and i just wanted to check and then saw that people replied to me. No notifications at all. Maybe weâre just the unchosen ones. 
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Good luck using lock toolkit like gate/port defensively when healers went middle of the map to line your port position and to eat all cc and your teammate pushed other side of the map since start.
People dont know what locks do in mugambala with port/gate either, or that they could use the locks gate too and if you try to use port to yo-yo defensively when you are focused the team will just play up and render your port useless when you cant cast up there from down, so you can jump down but if everyone are fighting up it isnt going to be much use. You have to type start of every round something like âplay downâ
It does damage but itâs nothing threatening at all
Ah yes, that well known race: German.
na i voted for die linken lmao
the 2.2-2.6 reference was to last season dragonflight, my bad forgot to add this xd
thats fair, atleast i know the game designe is for both frustrating, as long as you are not a fury war/ww monk lmao
i played demo in legion sometimes when the imp implosion was a thing, but since then i never touched it again, destro was frustrating, and affli was barely viable, so i had only demo, but it feels like this Gameplay (also to play against) gets everytime worse, same with bm
oh this could be
yeah i was confused and thought everyone ignored me 
yeah thats also a reason why i think that many locks are struggle to survive, the difference between (no flame) a only 2k 2.2 or 2.4+ lock is really big when it comes to port
some locks port when they are already at low hp, and some port when they know "the opponent is bursting now i faced locks what knew that i will use my incarn now, and pre ported my leap into stun, i doubt a lower experienced lock have the awarnes and die often to dmg what he could have avoided
but well i cant blame them for dying into ww monks/ fury warris the dmg from them is brutal currently XD
especially the Plunderstorm ability it killed me threw barkskin XD
When will warlocks finally be viable in pvp?
P.s. on a serious note, getting demolished as a lock in triple melee lobby is no different than a sole melee getting the same treatment in triple caster lobby.
I played ranged for years, and at first I thought the same about it, frustrated at how unfun getting zerged felt. Untill I played melee into triple caster and realized grass is not greener on the other side.
Also also, Iâve seen locks abuse short ports and gates to no end, making melee life a suffering.
Warlocks are no1 target not because they are easy to kill, but because a free casting lock is a death sentance im every scenario.
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I know there is more nuance to this. I simply donât want to bother going into this on a gaming related forum.
Arenât they notoriously racist against white people though?
But w/e, politics donât belong here anyways.
Ok that would have helped. xd
DF was a different time though. I was 3.4 cr in DF, i was one lobby away from R1 on demo. Even TWW S1 was ok as demo. Itâs just this season where demo feels helpless.
And now remember what is broken right now and what you face basically every lobby. 
I would love to have MoP or Legion demo back. Those were the designs i enjoyed the most.
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Yeah? Too bad you face more melee games than caster lobbies. Weâre talking about warlock lobbies into heavy melee. A mage, ele, boomy, and devo are more than fine into melee lobbies.
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I mean ppl just do their own thing in shuffle, no one pays any attention to you as lock on their team or where your port is. Nothing to do with the lock, what does his exp has to do with ppl in shuffles having zero clue where their team is or where their port is. It is what it is, personally I agree with blacklock and the rest that warlock design is outdated.
Its the exact same thing on rshaman, good luck play 4set and try have people stay in rain or earthwalls if you play totem. Thats why all play farseer and 2set instead cause you cant rely on anyone stay in earthwall or have gameplay around rain.
Just like you cant rely on ppl have awareness on your port or gate, they do their own thing and you can port and gate and negate every cd perfect if you can but it still matter nothing if ppl dont have awareness or general understanding that you are doing it.
Priest is other side of map mcing enemy healer cause he wanna be cc hero and you dont want to die to a dh or fury popping coolies on you so you want to port instead and then you watch ppl complain that you use your abilities to try survive.
The whole lock design is outdated and annoying with ppl that dont know how to play with lock. Its not good shuffling class Imo, some like dh and retri are far better and work with other ppl doing random things.
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mind elaborating? because eg mage/war or ele/war vs warlock with no rogue is just a baby beating
Are warriors a caster?
mage and ele are?
i understand that youâre probably thinking that if warlock has a teleport then no caster/ranged can kill him because he just tps and gets healed
but what if i tell u that people above 2.4-2.6 mmr are just +W-ing the portal as a ranged dps and just stand there? lol
And Warlocks counter both of those classes. Next question?
what? XD lol
ok, nvm
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