Yes this loot system is simply terrible, no doubt about it. Finishing instance without any significant reward is just… waste of time… And it makes me wanna go back in any of them less and less every time it happens again.
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Guilds are a complete waste of time now personal loot isn’t the default. Need on whatever you want when it drops and quit. Then pug or wait until Blizzard go back to personal loot.
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Yeah some wannabe hardcores do this. Personally, I can’t stand being used as a stepping stone by a group of elitists. When I see bs like that I run away as fast as I can.
Many guilds turned out being like this. So I ended up being just a PUG for the last three expansions. Occasionally I did a few Heroic Raids as a PUG with some success so I was content with PUGing.
That was until I joined another guild recently. I am happy to say my current Guild is chill and friendly. Gear is rolled for and that’s it. We all help each other if we need to. We wiped 18 times on the 2nd boss today but I had tons of fun.
Find a guild that matches your needs. It might be hard at first but when you find the guild you always wanted your experience will become 10000% better than it is now.
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Maybe not usual, but totally normal.
They want the people they trust to get the gear. If you dont like it, then gain their trust or change guild. By chancing guild you prove them right to not give you gear.
Maybe a little bit try-hard, but some guilds do this.
There was a reason they changed to personal loot. Now everyone is remembering.
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The norm for a Mythic guild is to have 5-10 spare wheels parked on the bench, and dangle a carrot in front of them so they don’t quit even if they don’t get to play the game for weeks.
This whole “trial” and “recruit” is a facade. Doesn’t matter how much you distinguish yourself on their loot farms, you’ll only become a raider if someone quits.
Right now, the only reason you’re in that HC farm is to increase the number of loot that drops for their mythic core.
I personally find this psychotic, but to answer your question: Yes, this is normal for guilds that consider themselves high end.
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Ah the capitalist argument, “trickle down” economics right? The only people happy about master looter coming back are those who are in the inner circle of a guild and want to go on a power trip. There’s a reason ML was removed in the first place, to prevent this kind of bs.
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Yet people are still going into these types of guilds, ending up complaining on the forums.
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sir this is a wendies
@OP
In general when you join a guild to raid always make sure you agree with the rules of their raid before you actually raid with them.
Had you disagreed you could’ve just not gone with them, look for another guild and you would’ve still had your raid unsaved.
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With no personal loot - many guild gonna abuse lootsystem.
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The reasoning behind this rule is that there are those players that joins guilds just for raids and loot. Once that person has gotten all the loot and gear they need, they then either stop raiding or quit the guild. This leaves the other players who have helped over the weeks in a predicament. If you going to join a guild for raids then you need to commit to that guild and the team and stay to help until everyone who helped you get what you want , get what they need.
Players choice is not the systems fault. Yes the system can be abused. So it’s your choice if you enter guilds with sketchy loot rules which take very little effort looking into, or will become apparent in first raid.
Classic was a true tragedy in this regard where elitism reigned and class x are excluded from BIS because class y have better use for it or whatever excuses were made up.
It’s such a deep problem very specific loot rules were written, where nearly any raid item had a class/spec priority list.
Even in the most open guilds where loot is rolled for.
This is why I have always sworn to a open DKP system where the players decide for themselves what the priority is. Naturally with common sense attached where you don’t let a clothie bump price on plate and similar. Sanity and teamwork is expected, people taking advantage of the system like that are shown to the door.
If it’s a well oiled team with respectful players it get to a point where you need to throw epics at people because they are saving all points up for that one much wanted and competed epic. Which is a whole lot better than excluding class x and z to minimize competition, which was the standard.
With raid loggers and people who are open about that they will quit once they get this and that epic, open about that they will be moving to TBC. Never participate in events outside the raid they still need loot from. etc. There is absolutely no question that the loot system should be open, with sanity attached.
An odd example: One of the better teams I was on I found selling an ingot. Well knowing that the team had multiple players who would want it, myself included. When addressing it I was treated like crap with “reasoning” such as do you even know the amount of effort required.
Unfortunately they can behave like this as there are “always” new players hungry for epics that everyone else have already, until the created problem repeat itself.
Elitists is the worst curse this game have. Way beyond any mistake blizzard have ever done.
Therefor, personal loot is a complete fix. Besides from “players” who will still cry they never get the item they want. Well, I never saw any specific problem besides bad RNG. That’s a entirely different problem.
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When items are needed by everyone, this is what happens.
Either you’ll get loot later, you you’ll find another group.
When the heck did master loot come back? I’m pretty sure it’s not. Only group loot. Which I dislike.
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You should talk and ask. If your GL won’t explain this then at least you tried and no one can blame you. You have valid concerns and while this is how most guilds handle loot, you still are allowed to have some clarity about how you can raid mythic, but I guess they will answer with “do M+”.
You did what now?
They absolutely should not have gotten rid of personal loot in raids. This will push most people to M+ I suspect. Fortunately for me, I am not interested in the sets at all and I will only be doing LFR to see the raid rather than gear. Quite happy with primal storms.
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i recently made a post about guilds on this very topic most of the guilds not all but most of them its just to provide the guild leaders wat they want and the rest is replaceable if you want fast gear a guild is not the way, the whole system is build around the leaders.
That’s how guilds always worked.
You had to go gearless for several weeks just so the guild could assess your abilities and see if you were right fit for the guild.
Also… So that you would not join 1-2 raids, take a bunch of gear from the guild and then leave/disappear
If it is a guild that finish the raid at a resonable peace is good, if it is a guild if hardstuck 3/X clickers give them the middle finger.