No they aren’t.
And this thread is about prot, which is in a bad state. Although half the suggestions here to fix it are terrible.
Design of prot paladin is completely flawed.
They were messing with it too much and it backfired.
Warr,monk,BDK have their own problems but they are actually good tanks in most enviroments…
paladin is only good in raid if you want to play prot pala 
Today i did ss on both my ret pala final verdict and mm Hunt aim shot on pvp training dummy with no cds and nothing.
Final verdict 174k (non crit)
Aim shot 469k (non crit)
So?
Looking at one ability means nothing. How often can you cast aimed shot compared ot final verdict? Does it have a dot component, a dozen variables that you ignore.
This isn’t a made up number, but so far 100% of the tank Paladins I’ve met didn’t use SoTR nor used any defensive, they just spammed WoG to heal themselves as they were getting chunked…
Maybe you’re one of those OP?
blizzard is not caring if they did they be buffing prot paladins defensives.
first time i agree with someone xD
they are undertuned in all speccs.
play pvp and you see paladin has more deaths than other classes due to having no blinks nor movemability.
prot used to be so good in legion now its a dead specc
having devo aura doing 3% is like nothing also our 4 set does damage no defensives.
since when is a tank suppose to do damage not tank.
our tier 2 set is under tuned
should be 30% not 3%
I timed most of the +7 with my 607 paladin ( sarch for senthry on raiderio ) , reached 2007 score today.
Class is not in a bad spot but its definitively worse than warrior or druid.
Still have a fun defensive and utility kit.
They will increase prot pala stats next patch :
Word of Glory healing increased by 20%.
Shield of the Righteous damage increased by 20%. ( 20 th anniv patch note ), but i dont think it will help us more 
Why the Duck will I be happy for a healing skill buff?
Classs is so bad on sustainning dmg it needs more then that useles heal buff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0brZctuUJk my own opinion. what they should do
Buff devo aura to be 15% instead of 3%
buff shield of the righteous from 3% to 20%
buff divine stead to 25 sec CD
buff final stand to give everyone else divine shield as well as taunting adds.
buff avenger shield to give holy power
Remove word of glory mana cost.
Give templar more damage reduction on Empyreal hammer up from 5% to 15%
make our mastery do more absorb on shield of the righteous instead of consecration
there fixed the whole specc
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Lol cant be serious.
Group wide immunity as well as 15% perma dr? Those suggestions are clownish.
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DK has anti magic shield that makes everyone standing in it take less damage DH has darkness.
blizzard should remove the spell blessing of sacrifice and give our divine shield an 5 man use no one use blessing of sacrifice anyway why take damage to your self to die.
Would make paladin prot better for all content.
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is what it is blizzard are waiting for ever to fix you guys.
This sounds more like a you problem. I use Sacrifice a lot.
5-man divine shield is also a super dumb suggestion. You can’t compare it to AMS as that’s not a full immunity and can break on magic damage. Nothing will break a bubble in raid/dungeon.
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takes up 3 talents and blizzard makes it automatic also why should i take more damage when my job is to soak damage?
paladins needs something again back in cata we had https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=31821/aura-mastery#:~:text=Aura%20Mastery-,Aura%20Mastery,Aura%2C%20Resistance%20Aura%2C%20and%20Retribution%20Aura%20by%20100%25.%20 Lasts%206%20sec.,-Buff
In a group fight we have nothing baseline to offer more than a 3% thing aura.
They should add something like DH darkness or Dks Anti magic shield to paladins-
I think paladins bubble divine shield could prove a good thing for m+ if all people were affected with it when you push it I love final stand i wish it was baseline already and not a talent. Best tank ability in the game.
this will be my new build for when next patch comes.
only positive thing we are getting back legion design were blessing of freedom heals like a lay on hand and now also gives us 45% movement speed.
posion dispell on your self heals like a lay on hand that is good also now we get to do divine shield even if forbearance
I love blessing or protection that is a good ability sadly its not a 5man thing that’s what paladin lacks a group defensive ability (not auras)
You’re not getting murdered every moment of combat. You can give a party member a decent defensive without even spending a global, for example the target of Blightbone’s Heaving Retch.
On a side note, the PTR autocast talent is a trap. Most of the time, I wouldn’t want that even if it were free.
When I tried prot pally, I just felt very squishy, and that I was constantly starved for holy power. It just felt awful to play.
Also why was the original post flagged?
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OP’s character name.
Which expac you thinking? Brew feels like it generally has enough defensives and is easily the most fun tank to play. At least imo, it’s also the one I know best.