You heard about playable Dragons, so you got excited about it, turns out you’re more like a Lizard with Wings, but it’s still the closest to a Dragon we will ever get, so here we are.
Your summary of it all was “They are all bad lol.” that is not a work but a mockery.
Drakthyr in looks, dragon in heart 
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Sounds like a Kobold to me.
Probably.
Been using this nickname in games since the early 90s. 
Beer 
Wolves
Werewolves 
Combined? A horrible amalgamation that loosely rhymes, Beerwolf. 
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I feel like the established lore does a better job at this
idk why anyone would want to summarize it other then to try and use it as a hammer to drive their own point home with
IT is enitrely based on established lore, which parts aren’t established in your opinion? and there isn’t an established lore summary like that available at all… Not even in wowpedia which is a summary. The next closest summary is Chronicles volumes which are official sources.
many vulpera talk about peeing in backpacks.
have to make sure to get rid of their tents so they don’t settle in where they aren’t wanted.
Mmm . something wassmelling a bit whiffy - so that’s what it was.
Don’t do it. You’re gonna just get racism results.
He won’t be fair and honest?
You’re new here are you?
That blood elf has… … interesting opinions about stuff.
Consider this a warning.
Ah, a word of caution to me… I see. well I guess its good he hasn’t bitten, I was a little taken aback at his comments that sounded rather condescending and contemptuous of me - I guess is posting in character?
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That’s the thing. No one knows.
We’re not sure if he’s just being in character (And doing terrible at it. He acts like he’s 100% Horde loyal, but he sucks at representing the Horde.) or if he’s being serious, which is concerning.
I’ve tried humoring you in the past and as an answer I got a bunch of projection and be witness to some name game and a bunch of headcannon about the current state of nelves
for some races it feels dismissive, for some races its more a scoffing at summary of their history then an actual what they are about bit
it felt like someone with an axe to grind typed it with some of the races
You don’t need to humour me, I post what I think, and I try to be as honest about it as possible, if you disagree or have thoughts, just post with equal candor, I won’t take offense and will reply frankly if not necessarily with brevity.
My opinions are my own and are often based on my observations, if you find the latter incorrect, by all means redress, and if you disagree with the former, do indicate where/why. I will try to respond.
Well, I take it that’s your opinion. I haven’t really discussed the current state of the Night elves here, I do much more of that in the other topic, although my reply to Funkykittie above sums it up.
I guess the more you’re into something, and the more you enjoyed what was before, the more irked you are when what you have been seeing in the current game irks you. Off course, the worse it becomes the better the earlier stuff appears.
I found night elves a lot cooler and far more varied in WC3 and in the novels (where the vast majority of thier lore is given) than they were presented in game. Over a period of 20 years is how long it has taken for all the things in WC3 and War of the Ancients trilogy to have some representative in-game - meaning a lot of the time we just saw nothing - this is disappointing for a fan - if you can relate. And will often occasion comment. I make no apologies for that.
Ah, it wasn’t my intention. For this I do make apologies. I just lack the level of insight for some races that I have for others.
My hope was that:
- People would add their own takes on the races (based on lore off course) but the points they raise and the priority they give them would tell me what stood out of them the most and
- We could discuss each others points to get a better understanding of each group.
I found it worth doing because I have noticed, playing wow and knowing warcraft lore are two different things. Especially since playing the game can be easily misleading as it doesn’t show a lot of lore of races - some races are more dependent on backstories they have, while others the vast majority of thier known lore is in game.
Also what you play in game is entirely dependent on how much effort you put in. You can avoid nearly all the lore so your impression of a race might be only based on what you experience visually rather than the information, often given in texts and conversations or lore books that interpret what you see. and without which, you won’t be getting an accurate take - discussions on forums often bring things to light others miss - both in game and in the lore. Warcraft has many short stories, novels, audio books, official lore entries, developer panels, interviews, tweets that all count towards the lore of a thing, and I think onl blizzard know everything they have said and I can guarantee you almost no one person in blizzard knows everything they have done. Afrisiabi, before he left and was head of creative mentioned he needed to carry notes around with him because there was so much… and I know they have hired at least 1 (but I think it is 3 people ) whose job it is to know all that lore and serve as a check when they’re making new lore so they are not accidentally retconning something.
In other words, htere is so much, and based on what you have read, that views can vary widely, bringing all the information to the table is important
- Repetitiveness of gameplay also plays a huge role in redirecting your opinion. When you play certain content over and over again, what is in a story as only a moment, grows greatly in signifcance and can greatly skew the impression of a race, as well as what they see. You play wc3 over and over again, your view oof the races there would be far more influenced by that than waht the lore only mentions once about them in an in-game book or in a novel or encylopedia entry - but the encylopedia entry is just as iportant and based on what it says, might carry far more weight than the event you replay 1000 times in the game.
a typical example is Tauren and night elves who many perceive as mainly druidic nature races - however this is incorrect - for Tauren, druidism is a small sect, Shamanism, the hunter and the warrior dominate the race, but most people see tauren standing out as druids because questing in game repeatedely either as druids or other classes that meet druid quests is when you see only Tauren and night elves.
Druidism plays a much bigger role ammongst night elves, but in the body of night elf lore, the order of Elune, the religious order, the illidari and demon hunters and the highborne and arcane civilization have as much coverage as nature and the druids, who form about 1/4 to 1/3 of the race - yet in-game as you meet night elves most of the time either in forests alongside druids, this skews your impression greatly and leads to an incorrect impression of the race.
Therefore, actual knoweldge of the race is really important, and not just oging on what your 11th character has done for the 11th time in game. Especially in game wher eyou can choose your path. If you chose to level up in clata zones you can skip so much stuff, and even forget the rest existed.
As such, I can only summarise briefly, part of it is based on not enough knowledge for some races, part of it is trying to indeed be a summary rather than a massive essay I know the vast majority won’t read.
Should Blizzard listen to: He who must not be named. More damage will be done to the Horde than the Alliance did in the 4th War.
Stuff like Baine Bloodhoof being a traitor to the Horde and getting rid of Horde leaderships.
Anyway. The Elvish races seem to be the most divided of all.
From the Dark Trolls to the Night Elvves. Highborne becoming High Elves - part of them becomes the Blood Elves. Then there are the Nightborne off-shoots.
Night Elves is having a lot of their Elvish kin now trying to take them out. It would take them time to recover.
I think there is one living Dark Troll left so they are practically extinct.
Tauren off shoots are the Taunka and Youngol. But the ones in Pandaria are being kept in check by the Pandaren.
The Undead are spreading and now swallowing most of the Alliance races. The Horde races are becoming part of the Knights of the Ebon Blade.
Oh yes, I know many of us are passionate, but our blood elf fanbase, are quite unique. Ferocious even.
One dares not desire even, or think even anything positive for elves if it’s not massively in favour for blood elves or the horde elf, without constant and relentless disagreement and harassment - look at my other topic - let’s have night elves as they are in the lore books, novels and in wc3 - highlighting where they’ve short in game, and how to improve… look at the response… where these crossed doing anything that resembles anything on the blood elves or nightborne now - omg - you would think I insulted their mothers.
And their fanbase the most contentious too… things get really toxic when it comes to the elves and it is ALL centred on the faction divide.
I think this is like a cancer on the community, and blizzard should destroy faction conflict amongst the elves completely as a means of unifying thier community.
Elves are the main race they need to do this with. They need not make orcs and humans friends, the problem is the elves.
IT was made quite clear to me in the other topic that the biggest BElf posters cannot, and I repeat cannot see the elves currently as elves. They view them as horde elves VS alliance elves. Not horde elves and alliance elves, horde elves vs alliance elves.
It’s all competition, that far exceeds the competition rivalry opposite sides should produce. Fans, especially alliance fans are attacked verbally, any positive suggestion concerning high elves, void elves, night elves that would favour the alliance especially if it touches or elevates in a manner horde elves.
In other words, these people a quite persistent and vigilant in their posting to try to force you to say this won’t happen and won’t, and you only get peace with them by agreeing with their own narrative.
You must accept not to touch waht they like or there they go again.
Ah, this is what I use to love about blizzard, races would have multiple groups and nations, and they felt like races, rather than one trick ponies… why~? Because they had variation, different groups, multiple variations, different strengths, more than one, . e.g. night elves were not just your hippie druid, or just the northern group - they were amazonian warrior females as well as dark elf wizards, and half demonised fel magic elves, with nightborne elves and half stag night elves etc.
Tauren get highmountain, Taunka, Yaungol and every one feels a big different, even though they feel like Tauren communities - their political situation varying greatly too… makes the tauren feel like a race, there are variations, just like humans have with eueo-far east-afro variations and multiple nations with a wide range and variation amongst them.
It’s sad when they ditch this or stop this
There is a racial element of World of Warcraft which is not necessarily a bad thing. Humans vs Orcs, and other racial tensions is healthy.
Normally in fantasy settings it is Humans vs Elves especially with titles such as Elder Scrolls. High Elves and Blood Elves seem to be the most fierce rivalries. Some among the Alliance are not so welcoming to the Purple Blood Elves that are called Void Elves.
Schisms are one thing but how the world is, something else.
The idea of having Dwarves on the Horde side is as strange as having Humans on the Horde, or Tauren in the Alliance.
It just does not work. No matter what variation or excuses people find or create. But it could be another Shadowlands thing. Like the Sylvannas redemption arc that fell flat on its face.
Each race should make its own mark. The factions is just one aspect that the player views it but it should be about the WORLD of Warcraft.
The Pandaren should be crowning a new Emperor and moving as an independent force but as a truly neutral race with the Tushui and Huojin becoming more envoys between the Pandaren and the Alliance and Horde factions.
So focused are the Blizzard dev teams on “Allied races” new flavors for the player characters that they do not seem to have considered what have / will the races do now that they have joined the Alliance and the Horde?
What impact if any will they have on the WORLD of Warcraft itself?
Thalyssra is trying to learn from Jaina Proudmoore her Magecraft when it came to Derek Proudmoore’s ship.
Since the Legion was defeated what has the Nightborne done? The Pandaren? The Highmountain Tauren was part of the attack on Stormwind.
Dark Irons were scapping with the Zandalari in Battle for Azeroth. Lightforged Draenai have brought their tech in BFA as well. There is much the Kul Tirans can do to help the Gilneans rebuild. Also they might be a main force of the Alliance navy, even though the Alliance already had their own fleets and vessels.
Trolls have a rich history outside of the Horde. So to see a rise of Troll threat could be good as there could be other threats and challenges to face.
There should be a continuation of the unique faction challenges like what we saw in Battle for Azeroth. The Alliance was dealing with issues in Kul Tiras while the Horde was dealing with their own issues on Zandalar.
There was mention of the Vulpera. So are they going to try to colonise the deserts?
If the Scourge are neutralised then there are a lot of free real estate in Northrends. Should there be more fleshing out of the world then it will give players new reasons to return to old zones.
What were the Gurubashi territories of the Darkspear Trolls before they joined the Horde?
There is a lot of potential that could still be realised.
Can you please stop pretending that you understand things you are talking about, humans vs orcs were never about “racial” tensions, orcs invaded not because they dislike how humans look and behave lmao, I don’t think there are even examples of conflicts that started due to biological differences.
Every conflict in warcraft is cultural, territorial, or straight up genocide on the cosmological reasons