What happened and we get to accept the "Social Contract" again?

yes i could agree. But i cant understand the point to complain about somethin so useless. Is just a X to put in a square.
No changes after i signed that? Not a problem.

I heard it can come up if you’re reported for something, but this might be a myth. As I understand it comes back from time to time as a reminder to people that their conduct can affect others.

The point of it is kinda not needing consistency. It’s so vague that it can be used to punish you for anything, which is the whole idea, giving justification to act upon anything people can choose to be offended by.

It is just that it feels so fake/hypocritical of Blizzard to make these declarations while doing little to nothing to social engineer the community towards a more wholesome culture or even that they are still designing the endgame in ways that may make unsavory behavior more likely than not. It feels like if they declare that they will try to curate their community around as much as FF14 does while they do (almost) nothing in practice past flashing on us the social contract.

Aye, all those corporate terms of use are always vague so that they can be applied anytime someone feels like it based on the current trends
 But this seems to be the state of things unless one day someone legislates that the terms of use etc are to be as detailed as a well written law.

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TBH regardless of the contents of the social contract, the TOS literally state Blizzard can ban an account for any reason at all, so the results of the rules really aren’t necessary.

Remember everyone be decent to each other, and WoW can be a nice place for everyone

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im getting old
 unfortunately hypocrisy never amazes me anymore.

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I get what you mean, but even if it happens all over the place, I always find hypocrisy to the most contemptible trait for anyone who is on a decision making position. To commit despicable acts while also holding up a “holier than thou” banner.

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I agree with you there. I thought that was interesting in FF14, there is an actual approach to it, thought out, with systems in place. I won’t say it’s perfect, or that I want WoW to just copy FF14 in that sense, it’s a different game.

WoW has tackled some of the issues with shared tagging of mobs and resources and such. But compared to FF14 it doesn’t really have a vision it seems, perhaps to allow for more freedom. Ff14 to me felt very curated, behaviour on rails pretty much, so it’s not the easiest discussion I think how one should go about it.

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I think this is room in the game for PuGs, not that I would partake of such these days.
Of course not all aspects of the game should be designed with Pugging in mind.

From what I see in the forums M+ is not really suitable for PuGs (that’s not to say it can’t be Pugged).
So there is a gap in the market for some form of challenging dungeoneering with Match-Making systems in mind.

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Every competitive content in every MMO invites toxicity and the social contract was just a publicity stunt to improve their image after the lawsuits.
In reality every game’s/platform’s ToS has a part that allows the owner to ban anyone without any reason given.
If you put people under a microscope, half the players in game (and 80% of those on the forum) could be banned for something.

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It is basically like the driving in my country. Strict traffic laws, almost no traffic policing, so we are full of traffic accidents

In the end it’s just a reminder of the ToS we already accept before playing.

In reality changes nothing because in the end you will get sanctioned only if a set amount of people report your misbehavior.

For example just yesterday on Classic Hardcore a guild as been griefed another time by an individual that seems to have an extreme obsession over them, going incognito inside their raid to make them die on boss fight (this time was C’thun eye beam)

This things are a joke their game is full of bots and 3rd party sites that sell gold , safe community on paper cause in reality ,they prefer banning a few random players than actually cleaning up the bots .

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People want to be toxic without consequences

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They started those social behavior notes, right after their ex-staff bill cosby suite team was caught being naughty, basically trying to reflect to the playerbase for turmoil at their workarea. The social ‘note’ is a joke really. The players are not guilty of the conduct in their blizzard headquarters. Shouldn’t take it too seriously. It’s mainly something they need to work out for themselves.

In addition, you cannot truely sign something meaningful, without your personal handwritten autograph under it. So it’s basically, just some guidelines.

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Some people argue it costs an arm and a leg to be nice and respectful. :dracthyr_cry_animated:

A simple “?” conveys much more when someone does something bad. If they do it again, type “??” and then “???” if they do it yet again. They know full well it’s aimed at them if you type it when they screw up.

You’d be surprised how many don’t have a single clue what you mean, or who you are talking about, even if you specify it more than “?”
Then there’s the “Taking accountability” issue too. People are more into the blame game.

I had a lovely situation the other day where a shaman accidentally pulled a pack we skipped in DHT, and they instantly said “Sorry I pulled the ones behind”

 No fuss, no waiting, no blaming.
We just went and killed that pack, and everyone said “<3 np”

Theres just such a massive difference between People and – people --.

Hasn’t happened so far.

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