What is demonology ideology and class fantasy

Blizzard has added warlock mobs who uses Metamorphosis, quest NPC whom has such ability, and it was added in Cata. MoP only established Meta for warlocks even more with green fire quest. Even in Legion Kanrethad uses metamorphosis.

Meta was established warlock took from WotLK, and in the lore, ways how warlocks use meta is way diffirent from illidari’s way.

1 Like

Ok, I think you misunderstood me.

Demon form was something given to Illidan and demonhunters in warcraft 3. it was their tier 4 ability, the most powerful and significant one. they also had an immolation aura. Basically, they were those guys that imbued themselves with demon powers to fight demons. And that class (and Illidan himself, in both his winged (spac) and non winged variants was probably one of the most liked characters in the game. So much edge, so many cool looking glaives. You get what I say.

Then came WOW, and demonhunters not being included as a playable class. And, in that regard, not using a cool ability like metamorphosis was a waste, and it made sense for warlocks, as they had things in common with both demons and demonhunters. So Blizzard gave them that… in the laziest of ways. They literally copied the W3 demonhunter’s demonform.

Obviously, warcraft being what it is ( a highly derivative fantasy world that proudly says “this is my lore. If you don’t like it I have others”) created their own explanation for this, but let’s face it: once demonhunters went into the game, giving them demonform made sense BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY REAL THEME THE CLASS HAD, and it was a class people wanted in the game for years. For the different classes to attract players, they need to be unique and different. And obviously that is not going to work when the main ability of two classes (or a class and a specc) is the same one.

Demonology warlocks, on the other hand, can be themed in a lot of other ways. You can make them summon powerful demons. You can make them summon hordes of weak demons. You can make them transform into demons, which don not necessarily have to be Illidan/Balrog looking. Any of those themes, or a combination of several of those, coulde work. Thus, taking metamorphosis from locks made sense.

Personally, I disliked demonform when it was added because it was an obvious, lazy rip off from the demonhunter’s demonform. So getting angry because they got it back makes no sense to me… it was never a warlock thing, no matter how much blizzard invented lore to justify it. Demon transformations for warlocks could have stayed, but It would have required it being reworked into something significantly different.

That does not mean that the current demonology iteration is something I enjoy. It is stupid, artificially complicated, and full of bugs.

personally, i would have liked demonology to be more about summoning powerful demons, sacrificing them for situational buffs, etc. it actually being about controlling the the pets to actually see them doing the fighting instead of just them being nukes with elaborated animations that can’t properly change targets.

You aren’t addressing the argument you quoted, just cause they changed the lore regarding metamorphosis, among other things, doesn’t take away from the fact that it started for the demonhunter in WC3.

2 Facts ladies and gentleman not to miss here:

  1. According to early books most heroes were mixed classes. DK was a necromancer and a knight. Illidan is a hunter,warrior with warlock abilities. Gul Dan was a shaman with warlock and had necromancy abilities. Medivh was mage with warlock abilities etc. Mixing spells were always in warcraft lore.

  2. Dreadlords although they are melee, is the closest to true warlocks. Drain life, corruption, summon inferno, life tap (old spell), summon doomguard, drain soul, nightfall (old talent), swarm, destruction spells and curses are all str8 inspired by Dreadlords.

I wouldnt mind to share metamoprhosis spells with dh like deathcoil was shared with dks in wotlk. After all Illidan had warlock abilities taken str8 from demons.

I actually really like the demon army. Imp swarm sold me on not just the class, but the game during MoP (My friend thought it was good, don’t judge me).

I’m unsure how I feel about the improvements to the caster argument. You have to remember that those talents were back in the day when specialisations were just specialisations, not full-on mini classes. There was no offensive spell in the demonology school originally. Your offensive spells were classified as destruction or affliction. There was no such thing as a demonology warlock. You were a warlock who specialised in demonology.

I’m not averse to our army buffing us, but the army fantasy is a very compelling one to me. There are a lot of other specs that I could be playing if I wanted to be the strongest in the universe. The specs where I command an army to tear my foes apart for me are much fewer and further between.

I think that there is definitely something to be said for options to use other core demons more often. Tying talents to Felguard alone is a mistake. I’d love it to be viable, or even encouraged to pull out my Felhunter to purge or my Imp to dispel. Perhaps some version of pet twisting could be explored, maybe a 30 second cooldown where your next pet summon is instant and grants you a buff? Then again, we have enough plates to juggle at the moment with doggos, soul strike and bats.

This topic was automatically closed 30 days after the last reply. New replies are no longer allowed.