The Alliance of course. Most obvious answer.
Can it now? Of course mortals along with all the living creatures who eat and breathe are more fragile to death since they all face it eventually. Even immortals, like the Night Elves used to be, were bleeding and destroyed as easily as any other mortal, just look at Malfurion how Saurfang’s axe to his back almost ended the mighty Druid in one swift blow and he survived only due to Saurfang’s moronic change of heart.
Or take the Dragonflight’s, the Reds, the preserver’s of Life as they bleed just like their other breathren. Even the Dragonflight’s did not dare cross over the Wrathgate into Icecrown during the height of the Scourge war and Lich King’s power and influence was felt all over Northrend and beyond.
They refused to cross over because they knew that even outside Icecrown, where the Scourge roamed all over the continent, they were at risk of being killed.
And in Icecrown they would definitely fall and be raised as Frostwyrms.
Bolvar Fordragon died at the Wrathgate and the tortured soul of what was once a man is now nothing more but a scarred husk of pure hatred.
We saw in Legion how similar the Lich King now is to Ner’zhul, in contrast to Arthas. And the Lich King has the Aspect of Life in his sight’s! He will have his revenge and most likely plans to wipe the Red Dragonflight out. Why else would he manipulating the Death Knight’s, whispering into their minds and tempting them with power in form of artifacts. In exchange, he brings them back into the fold of the Scourge. And the Deathlord raised countless Vrykul, mortals and dragons that were added to the rebuild of the Scourge.
The reason why the Lich King with his inexhaustable necromantic and telepathic powers are a threat to the Light and the Void, was greatly displayed in WOTLK already. You see, when the Lich King destroyed three kingdoms, wiped out almost all life within these kingdoms (less then 10% of the High Elven populace survived the Scourge onslaught, led by Arthas, their inevitable extermination was their fate. And all the humans and elves who were slain and raised into undeath, now forever bound to the will of their new master, they were now blocking both the Light’s and the Void’s entrance and abilities into these former mortal minds.
The Old God’s corruption doesn’t work well on beings with souls and minds on the undead. Even worse when these minds are already fully protected against their influence, since the Lih King’s will is strong enough to block them out.
same goes for the Light, even though we’ve seen or two.
If the Lich King would’ve conquer Azeroth and eradicated all life on Azeroth (like he realisticly would’ve completed, if not for the Light’s “divine intervention” and raised every fallen into undead, he would’ve had this world protected.
Yes. The Legion was a force to be reckoned with, but after WC3 and Archimonde’s grandious destruction, the Legion then became Cartoon villains.
The Legion failed horribly throughout all of Legion exp. Once the Demonlords fell, the Legion has now fragmented quite a bit, since the infighting will most likely cause internal conflicts.
The Scourge has done ten times more damage ingame on Azeroth and Draenor(the only really playable planets that count, not some worlds mentioned i n the books to make the enemy look more successful. The Lich King is the only villain so far to actually have the kill record of mortal beings and is leading the list of NPC’s kill score.
Even the Twilight’s Hammer and the Old God’s forces are atleast partly successful and that’s a losely-tied group of different beings, the mortal cultists that practice shadow magics that drives themselves insane from the whispers that comes with their dark gods influence.
Combined with the Faceless armies, the now defunct Black Dragonflight, the Naga, which the majority of them follows their now fully insane Queen’s commands, as she truly believe’s that she is stands as N’zoth’s equal in this. Oh how she mistaken she is! After her transformation, she became remade in his image, along with her people.
Sure she had the arcane knowledge and power but alot of it got lost after the Well collapsed, atleast the source which she could draw upon.
And sure, the Storm holds strenght, making her think she can stand her ground, but all of the twisted shadow that she was exposed to did not only change her physical form and made her immortal, but also her mind and soul, which has N’zoth’s corruption all over her being, she is now partly an extension of N’zoth’s flesh. I’ve fairly certain N’zoth, who already had the upper hand, tricked her there and allowed her to believe she was to stand beside him, as his Queen over his rebuilt empire, while N’zoth is the deity and the power behind his armies.
Even her servants, loyal as they are, are still more fanaticly devoted to N’zoth when it comes down to it.
So no, the Legion is no longer the powerhouse they once were. Even though they were alot more organized and structured like a military army, they will never recover from their defeat.
As I said years ago, why didn’t they just allow Sargeras to remained as the deceased Titan after his physical form was crushed in the portal collapse.
Instead they should’ve gone with Archimonde leading and commanding their armies, since he surpassed Kil’jaeden in the magical areas of destructive arcane and fel magics and he grew in power greatly for every planet they destroyed when he consumed all the energy sources they came across. And allow Kil’jaeden to focus on his strenght’s as the recruiter, with his manipulative magics and cunning.
They matched eachother quite well and it would¨ve made the story so much better. But no, instead they kept Sargeras in his incorporal form up until his imprisonment where we saw his full form.
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Its probably death yeah, with lightforged undead coming, we have been seeing the scourge growing in numbers for a while now. Undead are immune to whispers of the old gods and most likely the void corruption as well.
Don’t the old gods see all timelines and see them all as the truth? The void or atleast the old old do not seem to want to exterminate all life. In fact they seem to enjoy toying with living things and use them to do their bidding. Even to the extend of giving life with the curse of flesh.
The death aspect however would like to see all life destroyed. Wich could easily be seen as the enemy of all (except for the burning legion perhaps)
I hate to say this, but i agree with ernst on it being death
If the light will work with death, does that mean the void might seek out life to counter that?
Actually with my way of thinking the burning legion would fit as well. As we saw a lightforged demon as well. And the burning legion does take their destruction a small step further than killing all life
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TBH I’m kinda surprised at the amount of people saying it’s the Legion. Though it does make sense as they could be considered “the enemy of all” considering their burning crusade, it has been made very clear that the Legion is not a threat anymore and that their part in the story is over for now, if not for good.
Death, on the other hand, makes perfect sense.
It makes sense thematically, as death is finality. It would also make sense logically, as they’ve been building up these “death entities” over the course of the last few years (Bwonsamdi, Bolvar, Mueh’zala, Helya), as well as the death realms themselves (Shadowlands, Thros, Helheim). Then, we’ve already had some strong hints with the Void forces in Alleria going crazy at Sylvanas, and Light and Death (or decay, as we should say, per Chronicles) come together to resurrect Calia and create a new sort of “Lightforged Undead”, as others have described it. We also know from WotLK that undead are, at least to an extent, immune to the whispers of the Void.
Finally, in spite of what people say - Void IS life, in a certain way. The Void is capable of creating organic life. The Void Lords proved it when they created the Old Gods, the Old Gods themselves proved it when the aqir and the faceless ones rose from their bodies, and again when they “blessed” the titanforged with the “curse” of flesh. As evil and corruptive as the Old Gods are, it’s undeniable that they are far more closely related to life than to death (though I’m open to counterarguments, as there’s a lot of varying lore on the Void and death).
Anyway, to quote Game of Thrones:
“So, what are you fighting for?”
“Life. Death is the enemy. The first enemy, and the last.”
“But we all die.”
“The enemy always wins… and we still need to fight him.”
inb4 they actually mean a lightforged sargeras. Wasn’t there also a quote from n’zoth saying we should be very worried if a star dissappears?
If Blizzard employees now count as N’zoth, then yes.
No, N’zoth did not say that.
The creatures of the Void just don’t live, they just exist, that’s a little more complicated to explain now, but I’ll try anyway!
The Void exists outside the material universe, it does not exist in its pure form in the material universe. Life springs from light, of course the shadow is involved in the birth of the universe, but it is not directly associated with life.
However, life - as well as death - only arose with the birth of the cosmos. As well as time, all this has not existed and does not exist in the dimension where the Void comes from.
If light is responsible for the birth of life, and the shadow is responsible for the birth of death (All dead people normally come to the shadow land), then this has an effect on the whole equilibrium, since both are 50% involved in creation.
Alright chief, I’m gonna have to stop you there. casts [Shackle Void Elf] (Yes, that is a thing, deal with it).
The Void/Shadow is, in spite of the name, unrelated to the Shadowlands, as per Chronicles vol. 1. The Shadowlands, necromancy and Death in general are now related to the spiritual element of “Decay”, which is the newly conceived “element” opposite of the “element” called spirit, also known as the “spirit of life.” So to say that the Void/Shadow is responsible for the “birth of death”, or even that the Void is related to Death, is pure speculation at best and plain wrong at worst.
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Oh, yeah, picking out points written in context. How Smart…mhrm…not…
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494086165381513234/547812315798568960/2019-02-20.png]Death, time, chaos, order, decay, spirit, these are all objects within the material cosmos and born of light and Void. Heaven, even life and death have arisen out of it.
That’s a pretty big leap. Yeah, the Light and the Void are responsible for creation. But you were arguing that death is specifically related to the Void. It’s simply not.
Don’t be a prick, man.
When you read the whole context, I said it could be so. That it’s an assumption, see the statement before.
IF LIGHT! IF!
I’m not a prick, but pulling something completely out of context which is clearly an assumption, and nothing else, makes you seem more like you want to strangle someone because of an assumption.
Oh, so now it’s suddenly a speculative if, in spite of you starting your post with a statement and announcing an explanation.
Your words!
And even if you were speculating… what’s wrong with challening your speculation? Speculations can’t be challenged? People just have to nod and say “yes, that could be true”? It doesn’t work like that.
you proceed to act like one anyway.
Ugh, man, y u gotta be like dis? I think I’ve given you more time and attention than you’re worth it.
Beings of pure void really only exist, they come from the plane of light and void , where no life exists, because life is a part of the material universe.
First of all I explained why pure Void beings only exist, the other was the assumption. Come on, you can clearly read that from words like If, it’s not that hard. On the other hand, you’re getting too boring for me.
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