What is the point of the Church of the Holy Light?

Why is the church covering for corrupted members of the order?

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It’s a church. Cults need members so show off their wealth and status with statues etc. They also want to celebrate their faith by the same thing; statues! Tapestries! Whatever and all that. The church of holy light is just like any other religion kinda thing; they think their way is the right way, want to encourage more into their faith.

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It’s probably High Priestess Laurena, as we’ve already seen her undertake some of the duties the Archbishop previously held.

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Well, I cannot remeber that?

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Based + sponsored by Morsteth IC post

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I thought you were someone else because your head piece was different.

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Before the Storm shows her holding a speech and it goes on to say Archbishop Benedictus would have been the one to speak if he was still around.

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Still should’ve been Rohan.

Also, would like to see actual churches in other nations that worship the Light (looking at Khaz Modan, Lordaeron, Stromgarde, Gilneas, Silvermoon, Old Theramore and Dalaran (and no, one Cathedral for an entire nation doesn’t count)).

Would it have killed Blizzard to add a church to every village/town/city?

Comments such as this are at least borderline offensive and don’t capture why religious characters in-game might behave the way they do. They show why IC portrayals of religion should flow from an IRL experience of religion, even if only as a sympathetic outsider - contra Karyínn.

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They never made dwarf chapels, unfortunately. There is a now ruined cathedral mentioned in the Twilight Highlands, but due to being built by the Wildhammer Clan, it probably wasn’t dedicated to the Light.

Had / has the most amount of chapels / churches of any human kingdom we have seen so far. There’s technically seven in the Eastern Plaguelands alone - Light’s Hope, the chapel, abbey and Cathedral in Tyr’s Hand: Tyr’s Hand is also known as the city of churches due to lorewise having countless chapels in it, Alonsus Chapel in Stratholme and the Silver Hand base there probably functioned as one as well - that one being the technicality. New Avalon also had the Chapel of the Crimson Flame.

The chapel in Hearthglen masquerades as a townhall, there’s the Scarlet Monastery in Tirisfal, which houses both a cathedral and an abbey, Lordaeron City had a cathedral and a private chapel for the Menethils, and then you have Deathknell. Tarren Mill used to have one too.

I’d like to see them having actual villages instead of ruined farms while we are at it.

Had Pyrewood Chapel in Pyrewood, but that leaves us with two if you include the Cathedral.

With much of the blood elves losing their faith after the Third War, we would probably see them re-utilised as Blood Knight or Magister bases. Would be cool either way.

Is an interesting case because a lot of Theramore’s population was probably made up out of Kul Tirans, since Jaina’s expedition was miniscule at best. Could have been cool to see religious clashes there with BfA’s changes / additions to Kul Tiran lore.

Dalaran is an interesting case because we’ve never really seen religiosity discossed with them. It would be interesting if they were the only human kingdom to see Holy Light for what it is - another form of magic.

Kul Tiras ((i just want to talk about religions in kul tiras))

Belief in the Holy Light seems to be particularly strong in Drustvar with there being at least one chapel and several NPCs referring to or holding professions related to the Light.

Yes. Blizzard is a small indie company.

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Whilst their importance may seem dwindled in recent times, because of faction leaders becoming the avengers or smthing.

They’re strongly rooted in the Three Wars. Also I’d imagine serve as the cornerstone faith for your average civilian

It saddens me a lot seeing these factions get literally nothing and cast aside. Legion did lore justice, because it brought everything from the ashes and gave us new lore on top of that

Dalaran was initially founded to get away from the Church in the centuries following Troll Wars when the victory mages delivered began to fall into irrelevancy and the Church wanted to put them to heel. Anti-mage sentiment was really strong in the generations following the Troll Wars, and I headcanon personally that the superstitions of Drustvar are a cultural holdout from this time period along with the references to Light worship in Drustvar. Anything that can be misconstrued as a witch, will be.

We also see in one of the Second War novels (Day of the Dragon?) a common anti-mage movement rising again among the population as a result of fears that mages might be seduced by the warlocks’ power and turn against humanity with many (not all) among the Silver Hand becoming the biggest advocates of this mentality. Ironically the only split happened inside the Church with Natalie Seline being fascinated by the magic of the orcish warlocks and breaking away in a schism with Faol to start the Cult of Forgotten Shadow.

Pre-Third War though we see the Church embrace mages again, reverting to the belief that their magic is but another facet of the Light’s will made manifest to help the common man. Magic should serve to aid humanity, not subjugate it. Dalaran still unofficially banned outsiders because of old grudges though. They weren’t forbidden from entering, but non-mages were made to feel unwelcome in Dalaran to encourage them to leave, even with royalty like Arthas.

So Dalaran’s relationship with the Church has been historically complicated with anti-mage sentiment coming and going depending on which way the wind blows at the time. Them not having churches would be on brand.

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I have always looked at the Church’s teaching of the three Virtues as guidelines to morality, each interpreted differently by different peoople but a common platform for all faithful to come find togetherness and community. At least to me.

An Orc on fel blood murdered Cenarius, but some nelves/tauren ect still worship/revere him, similar I think

I thought they went away because of the anti-magic sentiment of the King and the population.

Did the humans even worship the Light back then? Because according to lore they first had libraries then churches, but pre-Stromgarde humanity were travelling tribes, not city-building/dwelling civilisations.

Also, most humans worship the Light, this includes the mages and Kul Tirans (before they expanded upon Kul Tiras ofcourse). Unless I am working on old lore ofcourse, since I don’t really care for human lore the way I do that of other races :frowning:

I get that.

Yeah, it just makes no sense (to me) that a religion followed in so many nations and by so many species has only a handful of churches, abbeys and cathedrals while IRL every minor village used to have a local church.

Also, it seems like even draenei lack their temples/churches and they just pray somewhere randomly on the ground or something?

If I remember correctly yes. They followed the teachings of Mereldar.

Ah, but when I wowpedia Mereldar it all happened after the formation of the Empire of Arathor, not before it.

centuries later the different Light-based traditions and belief systems were codified by Lordaeron’s leaders into the Church of the Holy Light.

So humans started worshipping the Light after the Troll Wars, but it took centuries (and the splintering of Arathor) before the Church was founded as an organised religion, Dalaran however was the second city of the Empire of Arathor (before it splintered) so

Couldn’t have happened, because Dalaran predates the founding of the Church by several centuries.

Kind of a rude move, since non-mages founded Dalaran and then the Magi of Strom were like “jeez, lets all just move there and do whatever we want”.

Immediately after the Troll Wars, around the same time the Arathorian Empire was formed.

Dalaran wasn’t formed as a magi’s utopia.

Dalaran the city predates the founding of the Church, its ruler went “heyo magi, we won’t prosecute you if you move here!” after the Church was formed and found its footing in the Empire.

They were invited and could throw a mean arcane punch around.

Theoretically in a way humans could have worshipped the Light with Tyr as a proxy - kinda like the night elves and Elune or the tauren and Ahn’she. It just wouldn’t be the Church.

Most humans worship the Light, Dalaranians and Kul Tirans are by and large the exception. But you would still find worshippers amongst either one. Especially in Drustvar.

IRL most villages weren’t three farms and a stable.

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Is this thread an elaborate troll or something ? g

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