But it isn’t really the Heroic raid, the Mythic raid is the Heroic raid, and Heroic is just the old Normal. Personally I really don’t know why the Normal difficulty is even in the game, it is like LFR but without determination stacks.
IMO there should be no normal raid and the Heroic raid should be somewhere in difficulty between current Normal and Heroic.
The early bosses of the Mythic raid also should be much more difficult and shouldn’t be a loot pinata, especially given the key pieces they drop early on. Inspect the drops on this toon just from pugging first boss mythic - Socketed Wepon, Chest, BiS trinket, and trash drops of Cloak, Hands and Boots earlier.
IMO Blizzard need to decide if the Heroic raid is to be left as a training groud for guilds looking to progress to Mythic, or if it should be adjusted to be cleared by guilds that are just Heroic. Right now the majority of guilds clearing and farming BoD and previously Uldir were not just heroic guilds.
This is no way a valid argument if people are struggling to clear a raid it’s not the raid or the game that is the problem it’s the players and they should look at improving themselfs and not for the game to get easier just so they can say they cleared it.
Heroic itself currently is boring and takes barely any effort to clear and if people are struggling its rarely the game that is preventing them from progressing forwards.
What would that achieve, you would basically have two heroic raids rather than a Normal and Heroic.
They should go back to the old system and only have two difficulties outside of LFR.
The normal raid even being there is part of the gear inflation problem as is, they have to have higher rewards for each difficulty. Remove normal and the Heroic raid and M+ need only give the equivalent of previous mythic tier gear.
But again you are an example of what I’m talking about, your on 3/9 Mythic and I assume pushing to go further. The heroic raid isn’t/shouldn’t be aimed at you.
Id say Titanforging is where gear inflation problem is coming from not having 3 different difficulties the way they are separated by 15 item lvl base is more than fine enough.
Mythic+ should give relevant gear that is on par with current level mythic makes the dungeons stay relevant through the whole expansion and the item level is separated by difficulty as it is now, The Higher the key level you do the harder it is and thus the rewards increase.
And No i don’t mythic raid and i don’t intent to push further if you see the dates of when i got the kills it was the first 2-3 weeks of mythic release where i helped out the guild sort it’s roaster before i had to step down for IRL reasons and let them continue onwards.
It is not titanforing is good and it does not make you do /spam mythic 0 since it is easier in hope you get gear as m+ 5 or higher etc your point is wrong.
Yes the guild i am currently in is a mythic raiding guild even thou i don’t currently raid with them and only did for a short-period of the start of the raid and haven’t raided with them ever since.
I used to be in a heroic only guild but i quit cause of guild drama and the fact that people didn’t want to improve to clear heroic and preferred to struggle on simple stuff because they didn’t want to put in the effort to improve.
There are plenty of heroic guild that just end up killing the first 2-3 bosses on Mythic because they are loot pinatas get displayed on wow-proggress as mythic guilds when in-fact they are heroic leveled guilds.
example. at the start there were plenty of guilds that were struggling on heroic around the 6/7 out of 9 bosses but had first boss on mythic killed and were getting displayed as 1/9M guilds on websites.
tl;dr
there are plenty of heroic only guilds that just end up killing 2-3 bosses on mythic that barely take any effort and are usually puggable.
And there in lies the problem. Mythic needs to be much harder even for the early bosses. If anything they are nerfing those just to massage participation metrics.
On the flip side there should be only one other raiding difficulty, and that should be somewhere about 75% of where Heroic is now, with Normal thrown in the bin. I don’t think anyone does current Normal for gear, there is no achievement for it, and higher skilled players just use it to get the “glory of the XXXX raider” achievement.
You are just selfish and ridiculous from what have you wrote it is make it so Hard so no one can try, and you have more heroic Only to pug with you LUL you are just stupid.
Data says different.
What metrics wtf you are beyond stupidity your claims got easily proven wrong and now trying to say some bs about metrics like wtf???
You kill last normal boss of raid =normal guild.
You kill last boss on heroic =heroic guild.
You kill last boss on mythic =mythic guild.
Btw alliance is seen as wussy faction army of guards added to their bases what is majority of players doing clearly not raiding,m+,PvP either anyone with some goal and wanting to do something challenging plays on horde or are lucky on WAR MODE ALLIANCE dominated realm so few of them for wussy faction.
Horde loves warmode kill for sake of kill help for faction pride unlike alliance selfish coward not helping own faction says a lot about who plays what faction except few alliance wussy spies who cry on forums for being killed what a shame to HORDE.
So let me get this right, you have an objection to making early Mythic bosses harder and actually Mythic Difficulty.
But you also have an objection to slightly nerfing the heroic raid and actually making it accessible to people who want to raid heroic but not mythic.
As for participation metrics, of course that is why Blizzard are making those bosses accessable. Mythic participation was abysmal before they started doing that. However the raid isn’t clearable further down the line so all they have created is a loot pinata.
You are wrong if you can not do heroic simply you can not do heroic easy as that just because you can and are willing to do mythic bosses does not mean you dedicated yourself and push further if you are not interested in it in first place simple as that you want wannabe normal who barely can do that to be able do heroic so stop with this nonsense all you want is nerfing for sake of your own personal pug happiness because they s.ck improve or stay where are you i like raid design make it more harder buff normal more heroic just shows when 405 geared people do lower dps/fail at mechanics with overgeared already and are outdpsed by 390 guy no matter what they are unable to do that so they are stuck in LFR/NORMAL and for sake making them heroic raiders for what reason they clearly CBA to do heroic and cant be bothered to improve already no matter what gear they were they simply do not care to do heroic in first place and you are trying to defend this primitive behaviour nerf it since i cba to get better you are ridiculous or may i say you are reason why alliance sucks in everything ?
Yet for all your pontifications that the heroic raid shouldn’t be nerfed in line with the skills and abilities of players who actually confine themselves to heroic raiding; you are going nuts at the idea of the early mythic bosses actually being made more difficult - i.e. proper Mythic bosses.
It seems to me that you want difficulty to suit yourself.
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