Most were captured, not killed. And I doubt the Sunreavers number more than 100. It’s an organization, not an entire race.
Many more people died in Theramore because of the sunreavers.
Still though. I doubt the horde will incite or aggitate another war. Witch means. If a new faction war where to take place. Most likely? It would be the alliance who where the aggressors.
You cool with being the aggressor if it means you get to avenge teldrassil and theramore?
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It would be the right thing to do, and after the war the Horde would give some territory to us to avoid future conflicts, as the Alliance did in MOP. 
I wouldn’t know because I quit in late WotLK and didn’t come back until WoD.
But, I’ll take your word for it. Honestly though, that just proves my claim: Back then the horde got the spotlight in the main story, right now the alliance has the spotlight in the main story. In the bigger picture there’s balance.
I get that.
But there’s proper ways to address that concern. And then there’s the way Erevien goes about it.
And when some people take things so seriously that they view ‘the horde being wronged’ as they themselves being wronged, it goes a step further. I just find that such a crazy notion.
Lest we forget: We’re all humans just playing a game.
None of us are actually alliance or horde. It’s all made up.
Rastakhan made a deal with a death god and paid the price. Even then he would have been alive and well if not for his Superbia (the part of Pride that means feeling superior to others).
Or if you prefer: He would have been alive and well if Blizzard’s writers did not wanted to remove a man from the throne to put a woman in charge because mah emancipation.
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What will your reason to go to war be? Just payback and vengeance? Just slaugther innocent horde civilians. and call it tit for tat?
That spotlight need to be shared soon. You’ve kinda been the cool guys ever since legion.
Erevien is… maybe a bit above the average person when it comes to being into this game. But this is his way of bringing it up.
If it really doesn’t matter. if its childish or the wrong way to do it whatever have you.
Why are we all caring so much and engaging with it still? Clearly we care allot about this too.
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It was the alliance who killed him. Nothing to do with Bwonsamdi. the blue team would have attacked even without that deal for power.
He would not have been so bold if he had not made that pact and then asked for too much power
He never even considered to even try to negotiate before deciding on victory or death.
This is why Vol’jin is the best troll. He knew when to fight and when to talk to reach his goal. He would not fight when he can get something with talking.
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that the kingdom of Stromgarde rejects the presence of the Horde, destroys the settlement and this leads to a new war, which ends with the death of Trollbane, but that the Horde gives up all of Arathi and Hillsbrad, for example. You can also kill Anduin.
I prefer Turalyon as leader of the alliance.
Midnight seems like the time, with the focus on Silvermoon and whatnot.
And I wouldn’t mind. What I said earlier is true: I like horde and alliance both.
But I can only have 1 main and that main can’t be part of both factions, unfortunately. I wish I could; I’d love to be truly neutral.
It’s the difference between a toddler asking “Can I have a drink?” or a toddler throwing a tantrum and smashing his toys until he gets his way. One is obviously a much healthier, more normal response than the other.
I’m not saying caring is wrong. I’m saying being obsessed about it is. And Erevien is definitely 100% obsessed.
Or neither since faction war is outdated abd also having the garrosh story fir a third time just in blue isn’t better its the same lame story with no really conclusion which woud neither side happy.
And btw YOU dont want be forcefully villian baited, so dont wish the same for the alliance.
We have in Germany an old saying:
“Was du nicht willst, was dir man tut, das füge auch keinen anderen zu”
Which woud be roughly translated as “Don’t do to others what you wouldn’t want done to you”
Just cut the crap with the faction war.
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Get yourself grammar correction first. I can barley read what you post.
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Yes, we are all human beings. But we’re playing a Role Playing game with a certain narrative, and I find it surprising that You don’t understand that people can relate to the characters they play for decades sometimes.
I don’t know if You play tabletop RPG’s, but if You do, as Yourself how would You feel if GM would just kill Your character in a scripted event, and told You not to care because it’s just a game?
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Of course I understand. I have that too. But I relate to my characters.
Whether that character is alliance or horde doesn’t matter to me.
I’ve never felt any singular loyalty in that regard.
I do. I play and DM Dungeons and Dragons.
And your example is utterly completely silly. That’s not the same thing AT ALL.
A better analogy would be, if my character belongs to some in-game organization and all of a sudden the DM turns that organization evil and the leader of that organization into some NPC enemy. And I personally would have zero problems with that scenario.
I feel like this thread has really lost it.
We’re now putting statutes and expectations on players because of their choice of faction. Because you are Horde, you have to expect being the ‘evil’ guy? Because you are Alliance, you have to expect being the ‘punchbag’?
Seriously? So, does this mean if you enjoy playing both, have faction characters for both, preferring you enjoy side-stories more the main ones, you are an ‘Evil Punchbag’?
I’d so love to see these kinds of perceptions on other fantasy worlds. It’s honestly quite off-putting and really incorrect that morals and ethics are being put in fantastical stories in the first place.
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The problem comes when your character is forcibly turned into a villain as the result of said plot. Although unlike tabletop RPGs when the player has freedom of action WoW followed a strict scenario. It doesn’t matter if you created your character in MoP, Vanilla or Legion. The moment BfA hit you had no choice and every Horde character went on to do war crimes.
And don’t get me wrong. Some embraced it and some didn’t. Of course terminally online edgy group would love playing villains. I didn’t find it interesting. And ultimately BfA writing made it clear that as a Horde character every loss on your side was justified and you’ve got no right to complain which stings.
Especially now since for last few expansions the bias swings heavily into alliance side. Alliance Leaders sits on the forefront while Horde didn’t introduce anyone new to replenish the losses among important characters.
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You think the entire horde and alliance. would go to war over Arathi alone? Please.
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I think best avenge would be to get Gul’dan magically returned and given him the power of metamorphosis to aid him achieve this, demon form which ironically were given to the demon hunters whose boss Illidan killed him. I would like to see the revenge of Gul’dan and the return of this demon form for warlocks, it would be poetic justice see him using metamorphosis to fight these demon hunters after his return!
Well yeah, that’s the downside to a game like WoW.
Player agency doesn’t come in the form of story choices.
Although I have to say, you could make certain ‘flavour choices’ in BfA as horde, where you were a Sylvanas loyalist or not. It didn’t actually mean anything or did anything, but it’s ‘something’.
It would be great if WoW had more freedom like TTRPGs, but it’s just not the type of game WoW is. So we’ll have to take the story as it’s given to us. I haven’t liked all the stuff they did; whether it’s horde or alliance related, but I just go: Oh well, let’s move on.
I think that’s a very subjective experience.
My main was alliance, but I rolled a horde character to experience that side of the warcampaign and I can’t say I read into any of that at all.
Yeah and that’s a valid concern. Blizzard could have easily solved that if they had stuck with seperate alliance/horde campaigns; largely the same, but different in the details. Dealing with different faction NPCs and such.
sorry for seemingly ignoring you… allot of people replied to me at once.
Be that as it may… You see Erevien as a toddler whatever. Do that, be my guest.
But the fact of the matter is that we all apparently care about this. You said and what i replied to was
I am just saying. His concerns are just as valid as any of ours are who care about the lore and its factions.
I just think… and hear me out for a second. that just washing him off? disregarding him like his just a toddler? is just not very fair.
If his opinions and takes are so outlandish and wrong? we can disprove it.
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