any random undead is a betetr option then calia.
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I seriously doubt that. I mean I can already feel the tears if the Horde get Calia and new Forsaken models like Derek as an allied race or forsaken rework… there will be like a hundred “Horde Bias” forum posts…
Which… makes it very possible actually… yes…
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Neither Calia or Derek are Forsaken, they’re undead but they got nothing in common with the Forsaken.
Voss despite her random flip in BfA has grown on me. Sure I also hated Nathanos guts since the very start but He should’ve imo stay with Forsaken, and preferably some apothecary, Council replacing Sylvanas would be a nice move.
Calia is a clown, she better stay in a basement.
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It needs to be a character that was “forsaken” by everyone. So far the only one is Lilian.
Or maybe they do an undone and have the Lich King turn good and lead the forsaken.
I like the idea of a council and i can assume Calia would end up joining it but they could also add Kortilla yes yes i know hes a death knight and not a forsaken but id find it hard to beleive he wouldnt help them.
It is obvious that Calia is being set up for something. I don’t think it is obvious what she is set up for. I would say it seems reasonable to assume that the Naaru want to install her as the Forsaken leader. She had strange dreams that she discussed with a Naaru and which eventually led her to want to reach out to the former Lordaeronians and take up responsibility. That directly lead to her death. And the Naaru used that to make her a new kind of undead, a servant (possibly puppet) of the Light that is in a position where she might reasonably influence the Forsaken.
The question now is if the authors want that to succeed (Calia as Forsaken leader), if they want a partial success (dividing the Forsaken into two groups, one led by Calia), or if she is supposed to fail (for example the Forsaken finding out about and rejecting the “tyranny of the Light”).
And… I really feel that the first option, where she leads the Forsaken unopposed, is the least likely. That would be an extreme shift in the Forsaken identity, from twisted and monstrous poisoners of the world that hate about everything to… pious servants of the Holy Light? I can’t see that happening. Some of them, maybe, but the whole faction? I don’t think so.
I guess there is always the possibility of co-rule, but Blizzard was never really good with depicting divided governments, and her co-ruler would have to be significantly darker than her. I don’t think Derek would suffice.
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please no.
I don’t know what will happen. I just hope blizzard isn’t stupid enough to destroy the forsaken any further with things like Calia. As former Orc fan I still have flashbacks from WoD. Nobody deserves that kind of humiliation on their favorite race. Undead fans have my deepest sympathy.
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The Forsaken used to be just “Undead” as I recall, even in WoW.
The phrase ‘Forsaken’ was strictly a Sylvanas invention, so once we’re rid of her, it would either need replacing, or redefining.
I think Calia makes the most sense. I don’t agree at all with the people who think Calia would somehow “destroy” the Forsaken, because the Forsaken have always been at their most interesting at the intersection of their humanity and their new monstrous natures, not when they’re giggling monsters who just want to melt people for the lulz.
I remember playing Forsaken in Vanilla, how varied their quests and NPCs were, before WotLK turned the whole race into cartoon villains and gave them buildings covered in skulls and black spikes because TOTES NOT EVIL LOL
I figured maybe after Putress was killed, that would be the end of the silliness, since clearly him and the RAS were the ones behind all the evil stuff, but then Cataclysm went and made that the sole thing the Forsaken are known for.
Suddenly raising people into Undeath is totes cool for Sylvanas and not at all a curse or a fate worse than death. Also, the evil warmongering short-sighted Garrosh is against using the Blight, so Sylvanas orders it deployed anyway behind his back while giving evil speeches and maniacal laughs and killing people just because it would be the most cartoonishly evil thing to do in that moment.
Such character. Much interesting. Myes myes.
Pure evil characters can be fun. Dick Dastardly is fun. Gul’dan is fun. Sauron is awesome. The Evulz Forsaken aren’t fun, they’re just… lame.
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Not really. If fans wanted humans they would play that instead. But they are not.
What I can see happening, once everything is over and done with (whatever this expansion understands that means), is Calia approaching the Forsaken in hopes of establishing an amicable bond with them. I must admit, even if you remove the additional evilness that Sylvanas oh so kindly contributed to the faction, Calia and the Forsaken don’t seem like a good match. I’d expect them to be wary of her, and with good reason, after all, she is Alliance. I’m not sure how much effort she’d put in, but any speech of hope and how amazing the light is would end up reminding me of that cutscene with Illidan and the naaru regardless, but that’s just me.
I would not be surprised, more like the opposite, if she is made out to be a neutral character. Perhaps, should she attempt contact with the Forsaken (maybe she talks to an important Forsaken character, realizes it is, to some extent, under control, and tries to help undead who are not Forsaken, who knows), a few of them join her.
If this does happen, I can easily see this become groundwork for the concept that was already introduced in the aforementioned cutscene: the Holy Light, in all its purity and righteousness, is also forceful. This idea that the light is not as good as it claims to be has been left in the back burner, and will stay there for a while, as we still have Sylvanas, N’Zoth, Vol’jin, Azerite, the aftermath of the war, etc. to deal with during this expansion. But it would be interesting to see where they take this light thing (although, to be fair, is there really any other enemy to look forward to after we have (allegedly) killed Azshara and are preparing to kill N’Zoth? maybe WoW could use a timeskip after that happens, great excuse to do some world updating).
If she goes neutral with no contact with the Forsaken that outcome seems less likely, and she would probably end up with a lot less lore relevance. Either way, it’s a subplot that they used and now have to deal with, hopefully without causing the posters on this forum too much anger.
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Yes, really. You’re just not a true fan if you only want Undead to be evil.
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What are Undead if not just dead humans?
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As an Alliance player, I feel that Calia is being set up to be the new Leader,She is a queen, and a monarch who has some experience, and judging from the way the Forsaken reacted to her in before the storm, they clearly love her. I know Lilian has been pushed in the story, similarly to Shandris on the Alliance side who has been seen leading the forces in combat and representing the Kaldorei in the alliance. I don’t feel Lilian can Lead a faction…but I don’t play forsaken so my opinion on their politics is just based on feelings.
Not normal humans? They don’t eat, sleep, reproduce, fall in love or build farms. Trying to pretend otherwise is just holding up a nice illusion of a life that was lost long ago.
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Ok, Sylvanas, ok.
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It’s a side effect of undeath. Nothing to do with Sylvanas. It’s just what the condition of being not alive brings. It isn’t called a “curse” for nothing.
They’re… not supposed to be?
I don’t know if you read what I wrote, but “the intersection of their humanity and their new monstrous natures” doesn’t mean they’d just be humans with bony elbows.
They’re still human. Specifically, the human population of Lordaeron, founding members of the Alliance, victims of the Horde under Orgrim Doomhammer, who Thrall holds up as an icon of the modern Horde. You don’t think that might have an impact on them? On who they are, how they identify?
They’re undead, so they don’t “eat, sleep, reproduce, fall in love or build farms”, sure - but how exactly does that make them less “human”? It’s something they lack in common with all races, not just humans - losing it doesn’t mean losing their humanity by any stretch.
They are human, and they are undead. They’re undead humans. The same way, if they turned the Lightbound Orcs into a playable race for Alliance, I’d still expect them to act like orcs, just a bit different. If they acted completely different to any other orcs, and were just hangers-on to Draenei and Humans, not only would that be ridiculous, it would make you wonder why we even have them as a race.
Having joined the Horde should be a source of conflict in the Forsaken, not a flimsy justification for why they wave red banners, put spikes on their buildings and suddenly embrace being evil for no reason other than the lulz.
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No offense, but as an Alliance player you’re not exactly entitled to appoint a new Forsaken leader. I can understand why you would like it to be Calia, though.
She is not a queen, no one has put a crown on her head as of yet. She is a king’s daughter who has factually run from her duties and chosen a different life for herself ( and I don’t blame her for that, so don’t get me wrong ). Her only “experience” is to have died and become this lightforged undead abomination.
The Forsaken who Sylvanas has killed, you mean?
Tbh, I have nothing against Calia per se, and if the Forsaken ( or more specifically, Forsaken players ) would want her as their new leader that would be fine with me, but from what I have seen so far, this doesn’t seem to be the case. Like- at all.
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Blizzard has explained that Undeath messes up your connection with your soul and fundamentally alters your perception of the world. To retain the same humanity they had in life is something that does happen, but it’s highly exceptional, and it’s usually tied to people of extraordinary willpower, see for example Alonsus Faol.
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