This 58 paladin 3 globals a shaman other day in AV, shaman was 60. Paladin was in bubble during the whole “fight”.
This shaman better than paladin is just bullst.
There’s another thread with a video, paladin keyturn smack down 3 horde during 1 bubble, just one of many paladin skill videos.
They dont need bubble, they dont need pet, they dont need pony. Revert it or fix it. Bubble needs 100% reduce dmg while active.
Holy shield needs internal cd and remove the stid 6 set for paladin tanks.
mans whining about pally, where did pally hurt you
shamans dont even need hands and could kill people with wolf/flameshock alone LOL
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Hello any nerfs for paladin forums!?
Blizzard even give them Horn of Lordaeon as a book skill… Where is horde Vindication debuff for bosses!?? Horde need blessings too!?? Like sanctuary? Totems raidwide!??
Stop curling the pink boys already.
Rogue/wlock tank just got nerfed 20% reduced dmg done, while prot pala not touched still critting 2k+ and has same Dps as rogue/wlock tanks in Mc (singletarget), Aoe they far above rest… Paladins threat is like 200% above others…
Make paladins do WAAY less threat, i played one for the first time in my life yesterday at testrealm, i 2 global my friend druid with my protspec, i went into ZG, facerolled the whole place didnt go below 80% hp, was steady 1500-3000dps… Hooly shield did most of it…
The problems with paladin:
Prot paladins facerolling anyone (holy shield 0sec global cd, procs 10times in 2 sec if hit fast and you killed yourself. Same as Shamans lightning shield was before the fix).
Ret and their “sealtwisting” or should we say TREEtwisting with tierset kills anything in 1x Hammer fo justice stun. Cant counter a bubble in any way, specially not with that PONY joke of ability you gave them 100% speed for 3 seconds WHILE bubbled hello!? Also bubble can break any form of CC, not fair at all.
Make paladins bubble reduce their DAMAGE by 100% , not their attackspeed!?? its not vanilla… They got 69 instant abilitys already who cares about the attackspeed…
Also Reckoning needs fix in prot talent should only be usable with a 1hand weapon and ONLY 1 extra swing like Wotlk version and remove that headrune that makes it proc another 10% ontop of all criticals …Time to fix this unbalanced s**t not even fun seeing them keyturning bubbleboys. You run behind them, they wheelchair steer around with the arrows like speed of grandma, kills you instantly, even if they lvl 50 with green gear. Because, bubble, pony, PET, reckoning, holy shield, exo spam… List is long…
All while immune…
While you at it may aswell reduce prot paladins DMG by 20% and their threat by like 100%…
I am ashamed of this and not admitted it to many people but…
My first toon way back in vanilla was a paladin 
Didnt get him to 60 before swapping over to horde though phew
I still feel the shame though, a stain that can never be removed from my soul
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Horde literally got favored by Blizz at most points.
- AV the entirety is favored for horde, even exploiting and time needed to get to Vann vs Ally time to get to drek.
- Shamans are superior compared to Paladins with SoD changes and it makes Horde also better in PvE.
- PvP is strongly horde favored
Except the fact that you blatantly disregard, having a 0CD Holy Shield needs t1 6pc compared to shamans just getting a rune.
The only consistent thing killing you is Reckoning, which needs setup and sealtwisting takes more effort and it is up to RNG. Shamans don’t need much RNG to win unless it’s enhancement.
mages can.
Skill issue quite frankly, mages can just run away from you even with that long list, provided you know how to outplay people.
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We can trade with shamans.
We give away the pet and shamans get -50% healing debuff while shamanistic rage is up, same as our mana ability.
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Horde literally got favored by Blizz at most points. * AV the entirety is favored for horde, even exploiting and time needed to get to Vann vs Ally time to get to drek.* Shamans are superior compared to Paladins with SoD changes and it makes Horde also better in PvE.* PvP is strongly horde favored
Horde didnt get favoured in ANY way in SoD
AV is favoured for alliance, they removed the glitch exploit to get into alliance base from side of tower.
Shamans are inferior to paladins and worse in Pve, check elemental bottom of Dps example
Except the fact that you blatantly disregard, having a 0CD Holy Shield needs t1 6pc compared to shamans just getting a rune.
Shaman HAS internal CD on the proc you know they FIXED IT!?
The only consistent thing killing you is Reckoning, which needs setup and sealtwisting takes more effort and it is up to RNG. Shamans don’t need much RNG to win unless it’s enhancement.
What setup you talking about?? Standing AFK getting critted, 10% when hitted and swing away with right click on your mouse? Sealtwisting is 2 buttons … Is that what you call effort?
mages can.
If you let them do that 2.5second cast (Wich you can OUTheal while IMMUNE to interrupt.
Skill issue quite frankly, mages can just run away from you even with that long list, provided you know how to outplay people.
A mage can blink away i suppose you mean? But ALL other classes cant do sh*t…
Tbh you are just clueless forumtroll. Defending paladins in any way calling it effort to “sealtwist” 1shot players >.>
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Or you can just attack with your Seal of Martyrdom to generate 10% of your dmg into mana to everyone… Or get healed as a prot paladin stay full mana 24/7…
Delete bubble, delete pet, delete reckoning, delete 6set t1 tank and retri
Then, it will be even.
Also remove Horn of Lordaeon already and its RAIDWIDE!? Totem raidwide when!?
i don’t think you can really nerf shaman healing any more than you already have.
30% healing reduction from pvp aura.
maelstrom no longer affects healing wave (only leser).
mental dexterity doesn’t provide bonus healing at all.
any shaman who isn’t resto will have trouble healing now.
its borderline useless as it is.
i don’t want cringe squire, but a permanently active feral spirit that can be instantly summoned and has, what, 8 seconds cooldown? (lol) sounds great.
ah but you see, shaman can purge that seal, which means paladin has 0 mana all the time, no matter who his opponent is.
this is unironically how these andies look at paladin.
by virtue of shaman having the audacity to exist, paladin is perpetually and eternally oom.
never mind the fact that paladin’s martyrdom works against every other class.
shamans can remove it so paladin has no mana… at any point in time… ever.
he could sit there and drink max rank mage water and still not regenerate mana because shaman is in the game and the only solution is to delete shaman so the paladin andy can finally regenerate mana.
ah but you see, shaman can purge that seal, which means paladin has 0 mana all the time, no matter who his opponent is.
this is unironically how these andies look at paladin.
Agree, but they can just make the “effort” and sealtwist judge wisdom and let the reckoning procs fill their mana for eternity while they outheal all the damage taken, worst case cenario they have their “long” cooldown bubble, if that doesnt work they just Lay on Hands for the ultimate win.
Also where is horde Devotion Aura, Vindication debuff at bosses etc, if you giving alliance Horn of Lordaeon(RAIDWIDE even) as a book. Then better open the library and hand some out to horde aswell.
no because that takes skill and effort.
oh, and the ability to think smart.
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Also Blizzard should reduce Prot paladins dmg by Atleast 20%, and reduce their threat by like 100%. Strange they reduced Rogue and Warlock tanks dmg by 20%, but dared to touch paladins whats going on?? If you check Warcraftlogs Prot pala on par with rogue / Warlock Singletarget tank dps, on AOE prot pala outdps even the best aoe class??
Shows the lvl of quality control
Glad blizz don’t make any kind of food or edible product.
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Hilarious, that is not the exploit I meant to begin with. Horde literally can kite Warmasters in Vann room as a ranged DPS/healer whilst alliance have to sacrifice a kiter or keep tank in healer LoS whilst Warmasters hit tank. And your spawncave is literally closer to Balinda than ours is to Galv.
And Enhance is above rets until the top 10%, without having to do Dispel duties.
After 2 weeks at best, and now they haven’t bothered to fix elemental to not be utterly broke.
hitting something within the 400ms (0.4s) window and hope that it happens is less likely than a WF procs.
You said there wasn’t a counter to bubble, yet Balefire Bolt exists to counter it.
You ain’t being honest half the time, you troll a majority of time whilst crying for paladin nerfs and say things that aren’t even happening.
ST doesn’t kill a single person in a HoJ.
Hilarious, that is not the exploit I meant to begin with. Horde literally can kite Warmasters in Vann room as a ranged DPS/healer whilst alliance have to sacrifice a kiter or keep tank in healer LoS whilst Warmasters hit tank. And your spawncave is literally closer to Balinda than ours is to Galv.
You know Alliance can kite all the warmasters outside and jump up and down on the fence to never get hit? Horde on the other hand has to Zug your dwarf boss and hope to not get clapped by Warmasters.
Alliance has the longest bridge ever to pass to get into alliance base, and 9 out of 10times there’s a Dwarf hunter kiting Rams into his trap to make whole bridge a slippery slope.
And Enhance is above rets until the top 10%, without having to do Dispel duties.
“Until the top 10%” We are not discussing green parses here, we talking people that can play.
What happened in the top 10%? Pala got better gear or shaman forgot how to play? or just overtuned paladin class?
After 2 weeks at best
Now more than 2 weeks has passed and not a single word about this bugged Holy shield 0 internal cd ability.
and now they haven’t bothered to fix elemental to not be utterly broke.
They busy giving paladin Book abilities that is RAIDWIDE, where is raidwide totems!? Devotion aura for horde when? Vindication debuff at bosses for horde when? Looking forward to them books.
Elemental is undertuned in Pve, only aoe its viable and still a prot paladin has higher aoe Dps…
hitting something within the 400ms (0.4s) window and hope that it happens is less likely than a WF procs.
You know there is macro for such things, so you can only press 1 button to not overthink pressing 2. Kinda like take 3 pay for 1, here you press 1 button and 3 sealswings into targets face.
You said there wasn’t a counter to bubble, yet Balefire Bolt exists to counter it.
How can it be a counter when the paladin can OUTHEAL it while immune to interrupt?
You ain’t being honest half the time, you troll a majority of time whilst crying for paladin nerfs and say things that aren’t even happening.
ST doesn’t kill a single person in a HoJ.
100% Honest, ive encounter plenty paladins. I spend my time chase them bubbleboys while you spend yours on forum to protect the godlike abilities.
Last paladin i met did 43% of his dmg Exo spam, 1k autohit, his pet did rest while he sat in bubble.
Next patch every paladin gonna run 3set ZG and i suppose 80% of their dmg going to be exo spam? Going back to what it was p2 before blizz decided to nerf it for p3?.. But now its coming back even stronger…
You the one working at blizz Wave? Only GM? Since you the only one defending paladins on a daily basis. Strangely they keep getting more and more… Wouldnt be suprised if that Legendary weapon they link is the new Bubbleboy item, because getting Hand of Rag wasnt enough.
Make a char on PTR, any class any race, ill make a paladin with 0 keybind and faceroll you back to forum.
If you win, ill stop cry forum and leave you to it. /wave
If i win, ill upload video and cry even more.
Ill take it if you guys take a 50% nerf to manareturn on crit heals
You literally never played AV, I can tell. Stop talking until you actually observe what you guys do in Vann’s room with Warmasters. It is quite unfair what you guys have been doing to our warmaster’s and still DPS/Heal within 40y of Vann whilst alliance just sacrifices 2 people to deal with Warmaster’s without any uptime on Drek.
And horde has literally 3 times the places where they can just place a slow trap which will have insane value. All of which are in your village, alliance does it once on bridge and others are completely avoidable. Alliance HAS to go through 3 chokeholds.
if both factions tell hunters to do so, horde hunters will always have more value per trap than alliance.
Between the 0-90 percentile on wc-logs its enhancers beating paladins, then paladin has gear/abilities that are barely beating out enhance. you ain’t getting over 90% as a paladin until 6pc or you just play exodin and lack brain to begin with.
On Heat 3
10-20th Percentile = Ele + Enh > Ret
25th Percentile = Enh > Ele = Ret
30-80th Percentile = Enh > Ret > Ele
90th-Max Percentile = Ret > Enh > Ele
On Heat 2
10-50th percentile = Ele + Enh > Ret
60-80th percentile = Enh > Ret > Ele
90-max percentile = Ret > Enh > Ele
On Heat 1
10-70th percentile = Ele + Enh > Ret
75-90th percentile = Enh > Ret > Ele
95-max percentile = Ret > Enh > Ele
Ain’t bugged if it is properly working.
Stoneskin totem does a very similar thing.
not how it works but okay clueless. You have to watch your swingtimers and press your button within 0.4s, no amount of macros is gonna help you get a successful twist.
Mages literally do more damage than a ret paladin can heal it, rets healing is utter 
with Guarded and mana becomes an issue if you run Sacred Shield. If you ain’t having good DPS on mage vs a ret paladin, uninstall.
not just me but okay, literally your entire account is built around nerf paladin because you cannot outsmart or outlast them. you literally scream the biggest skill issue against a class that has tickle heals and CDs that are outdone by SoD runes.
Also imagine accusing people of being a Blizz employee, thats a badge of shame for anyone that knows a thing or two about balancing.
that’s more of a middlefinger than something a paladin asked for in all fairness, all that prep wasted for HoR.
You trying to get people to fight you because your fragile ego got hurt and you try to prove something. It doesn’t change the fact howmuch you whine and are clueless about AV to be honest.
I bet there will be a phase where the Paladins will be able to mass bubble entire groups.