Yeah, I was watching in suspense to see, if this forum would crack the one week without any posts at all this time. Then people ruined it! The forum necromancers are keeping the forum (barely) alive, that’s not right!
I stopped posting to check my mental health. Araphant, Hoofy and that Kul Tiras fan left long ago.
Is it bad that I want to keep this topic alive? I don’t understand why on EU forums you can return to any threads after years, but in the EU after a month for the last comment it’s impossible. No wonder this forum is dead.
I rarely come on forums myself (but from what I see, I’m one of the most active people in the lore part), everyone can take a longer break from the game, but I still want to discuss some threads after some time.
My remarks weren’t exactly serious. Considering how dead the forum is, I don’t really see a problem in any activity, no matter the topic or off-topic… well, within reason, I guess. And well, Erevien is… Erevien.
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Yes when everything was said and done it has no need to bring it back really. Most users who started it aren’t even active anymore. I hate how the US system has no attempt to close topics even after years which is sad.
It’s unfortunate but not surprising, I suppose. It’s difficult to discuss the story of a game when there’s no real consistency or payoff for major, controversial events.
The faction war, for better or worse, also drew a lot of people into the game and that was fumbled hard. It’s not a coincidence that the more the game moves away from that, the less things make sense.
Seeing Forsaken working alongside Gilneans to reclaim the nation was outright jarring. If the intention was to have the Horde and Alliance work together to reclaim it, then there should have been more tension, lingering resentment and political pressure.
It doesn’t help that the Night Elves gained a new home for themselves around the same time that the Gilneans reclaimed their homeland whereas…there’s been very little of note for Horde players.
The next expansion also seems heavy on leaning towards the Alliance.
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Not sure I find that unfortunate. In the older days we had a lot of rage between players, based on faction-alignment. I don’t particularly miss that. In the last decade or so the topics increasingly turned towards writing critiques, directed at the dev team and their voices. That was fun for a time, but is kinda repetetive and depressing. If the forum grows silent now, even with re-growing player numbers, that’s because enough people have stopped to care about the nonsense story and are embracing apathy on the topic. That’s basically the harshest critique the writers can get.
If the posters here were, of their own uncoordinated accord, totally silent for an extended period of time, even though there is a lot of new content to discuss… Well, that’d probably be the best message this forum could send, as far as I’m concerned.
I still maintain that betting so much of the story on the horribly constructed factions was never a good idea, but looking at how it turned out, I kinda agree in practice. It’s not that things are getting “too Alliance” as far as I’m concerned, it is that everyone is suffering under the same moral modernization that they mostly focussed on the Alliance before. People just aren’t allowed to be vengeful, aggressive, sheming, warmongering, or just conservative of their fictional cultures and religions without getting villain-batted kicked out of the playable factions in a second. All conflicts are either external and meaningless, or just hamfisted morality tales. When we had the faction conflict they at least sometimes had to include a bit of moral complexity to keep both sides feeling justified.
But well… that’s gone. I mean, just look at the Horde. Orcs and Forsaken have purged their internal conflicts with decisive civil wars, leaving nothing much of interest. Even fricking goblins have to embrace unions, workers’ rights and enviromentalism. Who cares if there is a “council”, when none of the characters on the council conflict in any way? The Horde of Thrall, Baine, Gazlowe and Calia… well, sounds just as bad as the Alliance has for years, as if it never was the faction of Daelin, Garithos and Blackmoore.
It’s as character-driven as the rest. I mean, being Alliance doesn’t necessarily endear one towards the super-genius dwarven heir they suddenly gave a role, and Alleria feels more like a dollar store Sylvanas than a shining knight… If we are talking about Alliance themes I honestly feel that they are strongest with the non-Alliance characters of the Arathi expedition. We are even allowed to get a deciated, religious paladin again, as long as she is diverse enough. And we get to share dwarves now, as long as Horde dwarves look 10% different than the original. They act the same, though.
…Let’s say I haven’t met many hardcore Alliance guys that are very interested yet, more of a morose “wait and see”-vibe.
You know its bad when the Horde only has Thrall left.
Alliance and Horde should cooperate with each other only in moments of greater danger. However, their internal matters such as regaining territories or rebuilding cities should be separate. I understand Horde in Emerlad dream. Burned tree = burned Azeroth. But I cannot understand decision to have Forsaken present in Gilneas. Instead they should give Horde players their own quests with clearing Lordaeron from the remnants of the Scarlet Crusade or something else.
What annoys me more is the main focus on Humans characters. From what I’ve seen, we mainly see Anduin, Jaina and the Arathi characters in the story while Dwarves who should be leading in this expansion seem to be a secondary addition. But there’s a good chance that the speculated goblin patch will do some justice to the Horde.
I’m more worried about Midnight. If the defense of Quel’thalas gonna be led by a Void elf and a human king, it will be the final proof that Wow is just writers fanfiction about their human avatars
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Oh boy. We are in for a treat with this one. Same thing happened in Pandaria. Alliance story was spearheaded by Anduin, Varian and Jaina. Human, Human and Human.
While in the Horde it was Vol’jin, Baine and Lor’themar. Troll, Tauren and Blood Elf.
I remember how people back then were upset with this state of events. How Horde story seemed all the better because of it, how bland and boring Alliance one felt in comparison. Pandaria Remix only reminded players of it all.
TWW will be even worse because we don’t have Horde perpective here at all.
As for Midnight. The foundations for the potential blunder are already taking shape.
Chronicles vol. 4 already retconned Purge of Dalaran into not being a purge at all. No Blood Elf was killed, they were all but only detained.
Clear move to smooth out the Elven reunification. The problrm is that Sylvanas book which came out not so long ago. It states that was a purge, that many Blood Elves lost their lives in that city.
This was the reason why Lor’themar didn’t want to negotiate with the Alliance on how to deal with the Legion problem as long as the meeting will take place in Dalaran. He harbored deep grudge against Kirin Tor for it.
Blizzard is actively crapping on their own lore. Making changes on the whim without any care or even attention if any other recent product is fitting the same narrative.
Are we assume this also the point of view of the Titans? That we Players who experienced this Purge first handed were decieved? That no Alliance player was going around the city and killing Blood Elf npcs? It was all a lie? Or a titanic propaganda?
The respect of Blizzard’s to our intelligence is truly nominal. And the best part is with Remix still going on, many players got reminded or introduced to the Purge of Dalaran.
Now they will jump into TWW and get informed tis’ was but friendly curfew from polite Silver Covenant neighbours. Hilarious.
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I hate high elves more every day. The Chronicles hurt my intelligence.
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The Horde also has you. And, disagreements aside, you > Thrall.
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Yes. I will lead the Horde to glory.
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After having 2 expansions centered on a single dead high elf with maniacal goals whose was made artificially overpowered:
- at the cost of making Night Elves appear uncanonicaly weak (Tyrande imbused with Night Warrior and Malfurion combined couldn’t defeat Nathanos WTF was that),
- at the cost of entire Horde looking like a stupid appendix to the Forsaken army,
- at the cost of making the Lich King looking like a weak King.
After such a lore butchery they did, the perspective of having a human character centered in a patch or two doesn’t bother me that much.
But I understand your annoyance as Night Elf and concerning recent lore it was the dragons whose lore was furthered at the expense of Night Elves.
Amirdrassil patch was a well intended, but poorly developed attempt to give Night Elves attention and recovery they deserved as a race with both Huge Lore and Huge Player Population.
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During Amirdrassil Raid Tyrande says that Fyrakk “will know her rage”, They could make it that Tyrande was delaying Fyrakk from burning the tree by fighting him while we were dealing with other bosses. She couldn’t defeat a Crazed Shadowflame infused Incarnate on her own and so we we player come to help her and save the day. But no, she doesn’t even participate in the fight.
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Amirdrassil seed was made of the numerous NE souls who died in Teldrassil and during the final fight with Fyrakk the dead Night Elf sacrifice themselves to keep Amirdrassil alive while we deal with Fyrakk.
But when the fight is over, there are no Night Elves to be seen, instead we see only the dragons imbued with super powers. No Tyrande, no Malfurion in the scene, we don’t even know if Night Elves got their immortality. Felt dissapointing.
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Only alliance leaders are overpowered for no reason. Check your blue privilige.
I think that’s why Legion was so beloved by Alliance players. We had a lot more night elves, Draenei, and worgens than usual. Unfortunately, the BFA Alliance side is just the story of Jaina and Anduin. In SL Jaina and Anduin were involved in the most important events when Tyrande was sidelined. DF was a nice break but apparently we’re back to , Only humans can be important blue characters in story.‘’
Personally, I think that patch 10.2 didn’t give attention and recovery to the Night Elves at all.
Not having Malfurion in Emerald dream is like getting rid of Lor’themar from Midnight. It’s shameful that he wasn’t there and no amount of “Ysera had to be here” explanation is going to fix that for me.
Too many main povs in the form of Merithra, Alexstrasza and Tyrande. None of them received enough attention to properly develop this characters.
When the night elf army shows up I was quite excited but moments later we see them dead or injured.
No Tyrande vs Fyrakk confrontation. Instead of killing evil druids, she should constantly pursue and harass the fire incarnate. Where was the passion with which she hunted Sylvanas? They even let Thrall shoot his axe at him but not even one exchange of blows with Tyrande.
Strange absence of Elune
The new NE home is just a slightly improved village from Val’sharah on the other side of the world.
The only positive summary of path is the rejoining of some Druids of The Flame to the Kaldorei community
Tyrande had a similar situation in SL. A fully functional night warrior never once appeared in Zereth Mortis to save reality and later to fight Fyrakk to save Azeroth. Why she wasn’t there? Merithra forgot teleported her? It’s just that the writers never once had plans to write about night elves after the Burning of Teldrassil. They simply didn’t expect the Burning to have a such negative effect on the playerbase, so they gave us a minimum NE story to , 
fix them ‘’ without ever including them in the main characters party.
I don’t think the immortality of the Night Elves is important to them now. But killing souls is a bit too much, I know they needed some fun mechanics for the raid but they shouldn’t use one of the darkest aspects of the lore in a patch about the hope and fate of a race that has already suffered greatly
8 more days and the thread will have closed.
The issue is only EU topics close after 30 days for some reason. In the US it stays active forever.
There is no point even to begin discussing anything related to shadowlands, I pretend to see it as a sort of bad dream imposed on us by powers of the void, and would happily see it retconned altogether.
There is nothing wrong with sacrificing souls if it played well. This had already happened before at the end of Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos, where night elf spirits sacrificed themselves to destroy Archimonde and saved Azeroth. But that scene was truly epic and breath taking, not like that total BL cinematic we had on Fyrak’s killing.
But hey, the lead narrator in DF (as well Shadowlandsand and BFA) was Steve Danuser, that guy probably never played Warcraft 3, didn’t give a damn about established WoW lore and tried to force us like his utterly sloppy storywriting by butchering the core lore of WoW universe.
The fact that this dude is gone fromBlizzard now gives me some hope for the future of WoW lore.
Shadowlands is canon wether you like it or not. It will not be retconned since its story was much better then both WOD and BFA.