Why does Sylvanas not recruit Necromancers?

Kill Thrall and raise him. Raise Cairne. Raise Vol’jin’s corpse.

I also suggest killing all the traitorous Frostwolves and raising them too. Don’t forget to raise Uther, Anduin Lothar, Orgrim and Anasterian.

Make them all shout “for the Dark Lady!” the second they are raised because free will!

2 Likes

Yeah, in death their mind should be clearer!

The thing is, there were Forsaken necromancers in Classic. And not only that, but the Forsaken were looking actively for more. This was because, if I recall correctly, they were able to break the grip of the Lich king on other enslaved undead. I think it was also stated there were not a lot, hence the need for more. One of the main examples is Helcular.

So from here we can assume Forsaken see Necromancy fine at least as long it helps them free other undead. Nothing is stated about raising new people (or maybe it is and I don’t remember, it’s been a long time).

Later in cata the Val’kyr join the Forsaken ranks, and we see them raising new undead. The portrayal of this in the quests was a bit odd, since most of them were fighting for the Forsaken just after being killed and raised by them, which doesn’t look quite good with the idea of free will. To reassure the claims of “mind control” many people had, a developer stated this was becasue after being raised there were this state of “frenzy” were the undead would attack anyone who they were directed at. The Forsaken took advantage of this state and used it against their enemies. Later, the new undead would calm down and they would be offered to join the Forsaken, go back to the grave or mind their own busisness.

So here we see the Forsaken are not only cool with raising new people, but also with using them in a weak state of mind. But as far as we see, the Forsaken don’t enslave mindless minions. We also see an apothecary sentenced to true death after making mindless minions from Forsaken forces, leaving to the asumption their limit was in the mind control part. Maybe because of this the necromancy were left to just the Val’kyrs and a few selected, or maybe it was because only the strongest ones could create not mindless undead.

Now… well. We don’t see any limit. Sylvanas raises mindless skeletons in the Battle for Undercity. We see geist being part of Forsaken forces (I think in Darkshore, I’m not sure where I saw them). We see in Before the Storm Forsaken live in a dictatorship were they cannnot have anything that remembers them about Lordaeron (retconning part of Cataclysm quests). And we see Sylvanas torturing Derek’s mind to the point there’s almost no difference to slavery and going against the last and small piece of “Free will is the cornerstone of Forsaken society”.

So, after a review of “how the Forsaken saw the necromancy” timeline, I will answer you.

It always have made sense for the Forsaken to have and train necromancers, but at least in Classic, and with some small logic jumps and assumptions in Cataclysm, there could be an explanation of why they weren’t too many.

Now in BfA, I cannot find any reason for Sylvanas to not have a full force of Necromancers prepared to jump to any warfront to start rasing the Horde enemies.

So the real answer in the end is the typical one: Bad writing

6 Likes

The entire expansion can be summed up in these words, alas.

4 Likes

Araphant, why you disappeared for a while? It was so boring without you :slight_smile:

2 Likes

Don’t worry, my paladin alt was standing by ready Incase he went missing. It’s inportant to have contingency plans.

There must always be… an Araphant.

3 Likes

So I was boring, ok.

:broken_heart:

2 Likes

They forum was just so empty imo. Without Araphant it’s just a half party.

1 Like

Frostwolves are actually helping the Horde now. Usha Eyegouge (Frostwolf Alterac Valley battle-master back from Classic) is giving you quests in horde assaults. Also there are some npcs named “Eyegouge Guerilla” and they are all orcs, so it’s reasonable to think they are Frostwolves. My best guess would be that Drek’thar died and with no one to hold them back, the Frostwolves set out to prove Daelin right once again.

3 Likes

Some were drugged too.
Not even joking only a few of the damned were willingly serving.
Most were conditioned one wsy or another.

Kind of like drainei and their Dust.

1 Like

sniffs

There is no dust!

I think it’s yet another vile assault of “Continuity exists to enhance a story, not to tie the hands of creators”!

It doesn’t matter what Drek’thar said because Blizzard changed their mind so logic be damned.

God, I need more dust…

Well, at least we got Grumbol Grimhammer out of it, he was the Stormpike battle-master for Alterac Valley, so he’s Usha’s counterpart. That guy is the best character in 8.1, I love his world quests. His ramblings always put a smile on my face.

2 Likes

This guy is one of the best things that have ever happened to the Alliance, I agree. His lines, his voice… He is the most dwarven Dwarf in dwarven history :heart:

2 Likes

“Some stinkin’ orcs are tryin’ to move through our territory, but I can SMELL’ EM from my miles away.”

My favorite. I love the anger in his voice during the end of that sentence. If that speculated Barrens Tauren vs Dwarf Warfront ever happens, I hope he appears in it.

Here are all his quotes if anyone wants to listen and marvel -

2 Likes

This is wonderful. His voice is wonderful. His anger is wonderful. His dwarfness is dwarvishly dwarven!

“Seeing those smokin’ orcs flying sky high brings this old dwarf tears o’ joy” - so relatable :heart:

2 Likes

I actually have a screenshot of every quote he says. Best dwarf ever.

1 Like

Wasn’t he based in/around Alterac Valley though?

I’d have thought that if anything, he’d lead an EK Warfront. Perhaps a Ghostlands Warfront(??) or maybe something a little further South - perhaps Badlands or something related to Blackrock Mountain - Blizzard, please do something with BRK Mountain!

1 Like

I think it’ll be Barrens in 8.2 and Ghostlands/Eversong in 8.3.

Barrens is kind of obvious, a zone named “Barrens_Warfront” is in the files, there’s warfront music playing when you enter the zone and quillboar got a new model. If a warfront was planned, for example, in Westfall, then gnolls would have been updated, Blizzard is all about cutting costs these days. Dwarves vs Tauren theme would fit the best, considering Bael Modan stands in the zone. The only other two that would make sense there - human and night elf - are already taken. And unless warfronts continue in the next expansion, which I doubt, this would be the only chance for our dear Grumbol to appear.

As for that “Silvermoon warfront” I think it’ll appear just simply because elves are popular. If they really decide to go full for the money, they can throw High Elves to the Alliance and San’Layn to the Horde and bathe in that race-change dosh. Hope I’m wrong though.

1 Like

No arguments on that one.

Our dear Shandris Feathermoon should have cut out any possibilities of playable San’layn.

And High Elves = Void Elves.

I’d see a QT Warfront as a chance to re-visit the old Alliance of Lordaeron. Utalise Humans, Void Elves and Dwarves for Alliance and Blood Elves and Forsaken on the Horde.

We’ve already got a more “Elf” Warfront with Darkshore.

To be honest though, I can’t see a QT Warfront. I’d sooner believe that an Eastern Plaguelands Warfront would happen and either Light’s Hope, Tyr’s Hand or Stratholme would be the “goal.”

2 Likes

Ever heard about cut content? This list seems like one of these things. If anything I except Gilneas or Silverspine next on the list. If blizzard is eden willing to keep this concept running with the low interest for the average non lore players have out there right now.