Why having a separate premade v premade queue will lead to even more problems

[Cupìd-mirage-raceway]

The like 3 times I have been in such a PUG the premade just gave up even though they had 2 or 3 priests and we had non we just had some really smart rogues xD

[Zanbaka-wild-growth]

Premade v premade matches 95% of the time are decided within the first minute of the match. Every premade match I played in grinding exalted finished as soon as the first team lost the mid battle at the start except a handful of matches that folded after first flag cap.

That’s true, but that first fight is WAY harder compared to when playing against pugs, and also tends to last longer (though theres a lot of variation there as well).

Also when it’s pre v pre only queue, people will probably try a bit harder since the source of free rep (vs pugs) is gone, so it will be sweatier than before.

I already can feel the asswater from These Guys Who are defending premades vs pugs so much. They behave cool and skilled vs pugs but as soon as they have to Fight real premades they start to get anxiety

Well that’s the main point of this topic. Pre v pug sucks, but without an added incentive pre v pre only queues will be dead on release (if not very soon) and will lead to lower quality pug v pugs as I explained in greater detail.

It’s fine. People think premades waiting for 50 min, and have a 90 min game, for 200 honor will be totally fine, and it’ll def be active and not dead on arrival

Pretty much this, it will be deadge pretty fast without any added benefit

[Mekmo-lone-wolf]

Don’t argue with Zede. You have proven with all your well written and logical answers that you got at least 30 IQ points in your favour over the guy.

Many people here have argued with him and nothing sticks. At first I thought that he was a troll but if you check his message history it is clear he suffers from a grandiose personality disorder. He posts incorrect facts all the time and responds with messages related to “winning” as a response when being called out on his mistakes.

[Skogtun-pyrewood-village]

This is tip top thumbs up at blizzards office. Just as they want it.

[Shivette-earthshaker]

@Mekmo-lone-wolf

He posts incorrect facts all the time and responds with messages related to “winning” as a response when being called out on his mistakes.

Yeah you just gotta love arguing with people on the internet.

[Zede-bloodscalp]

@Mekmo-lone-wolf

He posts incorrect facts all the time

name one, snowflake.

[Spadqin-dalaran]

@Zanbaka-wild-growth

it will also destroy the experience for those who truly like to play the game as a group for fun.

It’s exactly what’s happening currently, you can’t enter WSG for fun. It’s just a rep farm simulator because players expect to get rewards beyond honored for next phases (rewards that don’t even exist in this version of the game, the tears are going to be tasty).
I’m not having fun when playing WSG as a premade. If we win the opposing premade just go afk and if I enter solo (which I don’t) it’s just to get pubstomped.
There is not a single interresting/fun game, it’s always over after the first team fight. I’ve played RBGs in the past and it was never like this mess.

@Zanbaka-wild-growth

This will reduce the amount of premades, which will lead to even longer queue times.

That’s true but only for premades. Solo queue would be much faster due to the colossal increase of players tagging solo.

@Zanbaka-wild-growth

The pug experience isn’t going to be much better either. Since there is no role queue (which is impossible cos of hybrid classes, a thing that is even more pronounced in SoD), it is basically a complete RNG fest of who gets the most OP classes in their group.

Just like how it worked for so many years. Much, much better than the current mess.

@Zanbaka-wild-growth

This means that forfeit culture is going to be more prevalent in pug v pug (since more ex-premaders will be pugging). So in the end the whole thing will end up as a lose-lose situation for everyone.

History shows us a different trend. I’ve played this game since original vanilla and I’ve never seen a situation that’s as bad as how it is currently, not even close. Didn’t play era though.

@Zanbaka-wild-growth

1). Have a separate pre v pre queue, but also drastically increase rep and honor gains to compensate. This also incentivizes group play, which is obviously a good thing (unfortunately it will have the side effect that prerequisites for joining a group will go up but it is what it is).

Yes this is how it should work, separate casual from competitive play and give an incentive to join competitive play. It’s very basic game design.

[Yangkai-lava-lash]

This is fake. You don’t need to be this upset, kinda snowflake behaviour.

It’s been such a long time since i’ve had some random try to shove their epeen in my face lol.

Straight out of 2004.

Just admit you have lost, its better for you.

[Zede-bloodscalp]

@Yangkai-lava-lash

This is fake.

You think a link to my actual legitamate page is fake. Hells Bells, you’ve truly lost it. Check the URL you numbskull…lol you are sooo hurt. CLICK THE LINK

You’ve been well and truly owned, so so bad. I proved i have done more BGs than you…and the best you can do is that response…just excellent.

[Yangkai-lava-lash]

Such a snowflake, upset and triggered

weakness noted = ego

[Flaxy-living-flame]

@Spadqin-dalaran

(rewards that don’t even exist in this version of the game, the tears are going to be tasty).

The rewards will appear in Phase 2, Aggrend posted about it on Twitter.

[Zede-bloodscalp]

@Yangkai-lava-lash

Such a snowflake,

You are so hurt, you refuse to accept my very real BG stats are real, you are the deluded.

Let us not forget, it was you who said

@Yangkai-lava-lash

No you haven’t.
Don’t be upset.

and i proved with a real link to my stats from 2006-10. You, you are just talk, nothing more.

/ownedbyzede.com

[Yangkai-lava-lash]

I own you.

I’ve got your name on a jar of snowflakes on my desk, along with all the other petty souls i’ve devoured.

Get real kid, you’ve lost.

[Ogre-frostwhisper]

Kids who join premades dont belong in pvp anyway, they dont enjoy fights, they just want pve against 10 players who dont respawn anymore, no fighting spirit in people who join premade, just small bicepped peoples irl

[Solarex-wild-growth]

There’s zero argument against separating solos from premades.
The longer Q time argument is moot because we have cross realm BGs.
There’s more than enough players to have healthy Q times for both modes.
Premades just gonna hate because they would lose their EZ faceroll honor/rep farm, that’s all.

[Spadqin-dalaran]

@Flaxy-living-flame

The rewards will appear in Phase 2, Aggrend posted about it on Twitter.

Do you have a link? Very bad idea imo but ok I’ll make sure to hit exalted then.
And why does he need to communicate only through twitter seriously…

[Flaxy-living-flame]

Josh Greenfield

[Zanbaka-wild-growth]

That’s true but only for premades. Solo queue would be much faster due to the colossal increase of players tagging solo. History shows us a different trend. I’ve played this game since original vanilla and I’ve never seen a situation that’s as bad as how it is currently, not even close. Didn’t play era though.

True, but quality would also drop significantly for the reasons I described many times before.

Just like how it worked for so many years. Much, much better than the current mess.

Or more like, back in OG vanilla many people still sucked at the game anyway so it wasn’t that noticeable (at least not from my experience). On top of that they also tended to play for fun / honor farm, for which you don’t necessarily “need” premades.

edit: The biggest problem right now is a lack of content, which is also why people even engage in such a soul destroying grind to begin with.

Yes this is how it should work, separate casual from competitive play and give an incentive to join competitive play. It’s very basic game design.

Glad we agree on that, but chances for rbg and/or arena coming are pretty small unfortunately.

Kids who join premades dont belong in pvp anyway, they dont enjoy fights, they just want pve against 10 players who dont respawn anymore, no fighting spirit in people who join premade, just small bicepped peoples irl

People join premades because it is a faster way to farm rep/honor compared to pugging. With separate queues it will probably be the other way around. Thus if you increase rep/honor in pre v pre queue to compensate, that will again be the fastest way to farm rep/honor = win/win.

There’s zero argument against separating solos from premades.

There are tons of arguments against (without any added compensation) if if you bothered to read my post(s).

The longer Q time argument is moot because we have cross realm BGs.

They are definitely faster, but far from instant. Sometimes you still have to wait a few min for a queue to pop. This will be significantly longer, especially if premades are no longer the best way to farm rep/honor reliably.

Premades just gonna hate because they would lose their EZ faceroll honor/rep farm, that’s all.

Hence if you compensate with extra rep/honor in premade queues, that problem is also solved to a large degree, unless you have any better suggestions.

[Solarex-wild-growth]

Of course premade Q should have better rewards than solo Q otherwise it would be dead on arrival.
Maybe 30% bonus honor/rep.

[Kárnús-living-flame]

I enjoyed “Extracting the urine”.

Very good