because most times she acts like a lovesick teenager instead of acting like a 10000 year old Warriorpriestess who has seen the World end… twice.
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Where is my beloved?!
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This.
/10char.
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Its a shame.
Yes they lost Teldrasil yes we lost Undercity but ingame we didnt we can always go back.
Tyrande got empowered in the best way possible.
Night Elves got nice Night Warrior customization.
What did Forsaken get?
We lost Sylvanas, we lost Nathanos, and now we have the equivalent of Baine aka Lillian Voss and dumb Calia as a Forsaken representative we have been robbed of many things including identity sadly.
Time and time again all Sylvanas did was for the forsaken proof is in the books her motives are always for the future of her race
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I personaly liked Nathanos as a character, finaly a person that doesn’t kiss our butts 24/7 as the great ¨Hero¨ or ¨Champion¨. I also can see why people don’t like him but that is their own opinion and I respect that, I just thought he was kinda badass in his own way, to bad other Forsaken couldn’t get his type of model for use.
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I agree. I loved Nathanos’ personality. I hope he actually goes to the shadowlands now that he is dead, so we can meet him again.
eh. He was ok I guess. But that bow he has looks sweet 
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Always.
Dark Lady watch over us.
Well, that made sense to her character at the time but I think you underestimate the power of the retcon.
I’ve said it before, but killing off Vol’jin was the most stupid decision their writers have ever made. I did what little story there was to do in the pre-patch event and it feels like it’s Lor’themar holding the Horde together at this point. Rokhan became chieftain of the Darkspear because he’s the only real Darkspear we’ve seen since Vol’jin kicked the bucket. Calia/Lillian holds the Forsaken together and they are both very weak characters when compared to the rich story Sylvanas had behind her. Baine is, well… I don’t dislike the fact that he is diplomatic, but he’s just so powerless. The tauren can’t leave the horde, the rigidness of how the game is designed won’t allow it, so why do they even attempt to write these kind of stories?
The story has been all over the place since the ending of MoP and it has not been particularly cohesive. They’ve created some of the biggest shocker moments in the history of WoW and they somehow end up feeling so insignificant. Stabbing the planet, torching teldrassil, nuking undercity – and here we are, horde and alliance being friends once more as yet another doomsday threat arrives.
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Shadowlands in general makes no sense for Horde. Why would we want to stop Sylvanas? Baine’s Horde is pathetic and the Alliance are enemies, let her kill them both.
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If you were in charge of the writing you’d have been fired already, as any reasonable higher-up would’ve realized that your garbage ideas would be toxic for the game’s survival.
So not much would change for you really, you’d still be unemployed.
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do u forget… that slyvanus was also intentionally killing off horde people for the same reasons as Alliance.
Nathanos is Team Slyvanas.
We are Team Kill Slyvanas.
So yeah we take down her lackey also, they also betrayed the horde effectively lol.
you’d also be fired lol, your ideas are terrible. your concepts are purely based off throwing the Most evil characters u can find at Horde leadership…
Im waiting for the day u come out with Azshara should join the horde next.
Horde v Alliance was never conceptually susposed to show Good v Evil, the horde itself isnt Evil. however is depicting that Inside faction conflicts and corruptions. the Horde are built off groups of “outcasts” pulled together for survival.
but even in early lore, you can see the motives behind joining the horde.
for example:
Undeads Orginal introduction on creation, Slyvanus Stated the hordes are a Means to a end and that they’re not loyal to the horde they simply need them til they get stronger.
they effectively shaped the cracks in the faction from the very start.
the only reason Slyvanus’s Image has been “Murdered to create a baddie” In some eyes was because they waited 16 Years to actually have her act upon her orginal motives. not because her motives currently are any different to the motives she stated from the start.
while the Alliance never really had this cracks excluding Arthas. i think these characters are primary examples of good and bad building however.
Arthas’s story moved at a Much more reasonable pace. while Slyvanus’s Never built and Jumped from Statement to a Extreme. if u followed WoTLK up with a Faction War expansion Into SL Slyvanus’s Character would of effectively added up perfectly.
- Slyvanus uses the Horde til shes gained enough power.
- WoTLK with her vengence for Arthas.
- Finds out that the lich king cant die and Arthas is dead bolvar replacing him.
- Jumps from the Sprie where she hears the voice of the Jailer
- Is told to kill the usurper.
- Slyvanus Starts a War to create Death to empower the Jailer and in doing so herself
- Attacks bolvar in the last patch.
- Crown gets Destroyed
- We ascend into the shadowlands after her.
like that movement would of added up, the issue is. they left that statement completely empty and never acted upon it,
we got Catacylsm where she didnt really do anything that bad
then MoP which Garrosh was the focus
then WoD where voljin became a leader and she was largely irrelevant.
Then Legion where they started Her appearing to of been saving the horde and actually looks like she felt something to voljin. to her then rallying the horde.
Then straight up blowing the Tree of Life and Murdering 10,000 Elves.
Like litterally… to anyone beginning this game in MoP They wont even know where they came from
and ALOT of people from pre MoP prolly dont even remmeber her inital Motives when she joined the horde.
Plot line just got dragged out far too long.
He tried to kill Troll’s death god. Which would ook up Shadowlands even more, and give Jailer another empowerment. Bwonsamdi was the one who found a way around the broken machine to protect the souls and snatch them before they go to the Maw - so literal hell.
I’ll say it like that - I like douchy characters, but Nathanos was so over the top, his actor was so overdoing his lines that it rubbed me the wrong way, and it made him look pathetic in the end.
Won’t be missed by me.
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Because he sided with Sylvanas, who’s now the enemy of the Horde, thus he’s the enemy of the Horde as well.
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The Horde are the true traitors. I hope Sylvanas kills them all for good.
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The biggest issue I see with Sylvanas is, that unlike Fen’harel from Dragon Age who wants everyone to die, cause there is no other option when connecting the world back to the dream state, he feels for them and doesn’t want anyone to die in pain. Which cannot be said about Sylvanas, her claiming she wants to set everyone free is simply false. She only cares about herself and only wants power cause is scared to die again. And maybe perhaps somewhere in the back of her head there is a small wish to save the world before the void lords strike again, but who knows if they will. Cause they are after Azeroth’s soul not the world itself. So once the titan is born and leaves the world, the world becomes irrelevant. So I honestly don’t know what this disgraced ranger general who fell to her own arrogance is thinking. As far as it concernes me. I am going to SL to kill mobs and stuff.
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Ughhh…
She literally says “us”, “we” in every single cinematic.
Like no matter how obvious they make it that this isn’t about her only, you will refuse to accept it because it doesn’t fit your “evil Sylvanas” scenario.
At this point I think most people who hate her are in denial.
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I don’t hate Sylvanas, I play a loyalist after all. Despite all she says, her actions say something else right? Maybe she is just aiming to achieve her goals whatever those may be, through unconvetional means. Like a nuclear bomb to end a war. Yes could be true, but then also could be a lie.
This isn’t a villain talking. She looks hopeful, happy even.
This isn’t a tyrant trying to destroy the world. This is a cosmic battle. Simple mortal morality doesn’t apply here. Yes her deeds are immoral but not villainous.
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Sure, I am glad to be corrected. Simply cause I don’t like headaches. You know I am simply judging from a “mortal” point of view. I as a player never experienced dying and being raised so that’s that. 
But honestly Nathanos is just annoying. I dunno what or who gave him that attitude.
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