Why I feel like Quitting the Lore For Good.

Yeah, I think so too, doesn’t mean the story can’t continue in other games, but we shall see… or even a tv series, i’d love to work on that, but I can imagine that a lot of the discontinuity and weird developments we got in the game would be changed.

For starters, the night elves as described in WC3 and WotA trilogy concerning both their long vigil era and pre-sundering eras - there is no way those night elves would be so weak as wow has shown them or join the alliance so wholly or easily - they’d either re-write that bit or give some very compelling reasons for both the weakening and the joining of the alliance.

But if you look at the span of the entire story - in one sitting, a lot of things won’t make sense and would have to change. For instance, why would you cripple such an amazing race like that? Ofc for wow the mmorpg, the reason is they wanted to make the horde more prominent, so night elves went background. Also night elves were weakened just because they were joining the factions and becoming playable and at the time blizzard felt that all the races had to be roughly the same in the lore as if it was like gameplay.

That ofc is definitely meaningless in a film or tv series, heroes are great, regardless of what levels of powered their races are. They do extraordinary things period, it doesn’t matter if night elves or gnomes are the weakest or the most incredible by some distance, a gnoll hero and a tauren hero would be extraordinary, no matter where their races stand.

I don’t think blizzard kinda realized that when they were deciding these things. The player character in the game is like the hero in the film/tv - they are the ones that need to be equal - not their races, and nor their classes in the lore. It really makes no sense that warriors are as capable as mages nor mages as numerous as warriors, but the hero and player warrior is not the ordinary, and as great as mages are in general, the player mage is no ordinary mage either.

Racially you can think of the two classes like the two races human and night elf. Your average night elf like your average mage, is far more rare and powerful compared to your average human and average warrior. But the hero human warrior, that’s a different story, he can be as extraordinary as the night elf mage with his legendary knowledge and power. - and in fact, this automatically tends to make the human warrior more endearing, cos he has travelled a lot further than the night elf mage to become extraordinary, and knowing his race is not as incredible, is all the more credit and amazement for him than it is the night elf.

But ofc, when you force nerf everything to be the same, this parity is lost. Shame they felt they had to nerf both the race overall too in the lore and then make them near equal, actually make the human more powerful.

Yes I saw that, and I wanted to make a topic about it, but I was so angry.

I am glad nightborne and night elves are going to play a role though.

I was not pleased they took nightborne over to the horde, although they have EVERY right to, it represented the return of the best parts of their pre-sundering civilization with a group that had been tempered with trial and learnt humility and wisdom - and the physical assets of that era too - like finally the best parts of the night elves were coming together.

I know my anger seems old, but it still annoys, even now. ANd while they could repeat the same thing with the Farondis - it still feels like night elf fans were spat on when they did this and they did not consider this in all their “arguments” about whether they should go horde or alliance.

But perhaps, they have something new and better for night elf/nightborne interaction. However I feel it is unlikely we will see another great portrayal of night elven pre-sundering splendour for them to give to the night elves - this was the time for it.

May I suggest something I wrote in another post that I think is an alternate vision to a lot of what I have read, seen or discussed. You guys may find it more to your liking. I like it myself.

It is long, so I am sorry in advanced.

Blizzard are aware it would cause arguments, but they made their choice (Blizzard) and through recent updates, Thalyssra isn’t soon going Alliance, as she wants to hold talks with Lor’themar regarding the events with Baine, Zelling and Derek Proudmoore.

If it’s something regarding the faction war, then that will likely come from the Kaldorei.

Thalyssra will know and remember all too well about Azshara. Her response to the war has been moot as I suspect her primary story will relate with characters like Lor’themar and Azshara.

Nazjatar and the Ruins of Zin’Azshari are something of the ancient Highborne, who are now Naga.
Indeed, the closest race to the Naga are the Nightborne and arguably the Blood/Void Elves.

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I call a truce. Because that shouldn’t even be the argument everyone… nightborne, blood elves - it’s really just high elves and night elves on the horde… what is so wrong with that anyway?

Why do night elves and high elves have to be only on the alliance?

And so what if the horde elves get Suramar and Silvermoon - it’s not like they aren’t available to the playerbase - it is still NIGHT ELF stuff, just on the horde. And the blood elf stuff still high elf stuff, just on the horde.

What did the nightborne do to anybody to make anyone hate them? It’s like some people just resent them purely for being on the horde. Last I checked, the nightborne were still 100% night elven - a sub race branch of them, but everything about their culture, their looks, their attitude, their behaviour is 100% night elven that didn’t change because they join the horde or are friendly with the blood elves.

It’s okay for nightborne to be on the horde. And for blood elves too.

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Well that’s what it is, but also by extension - it’s Highborne reflections on Horde side, which is nice.

Blood Elves and Nightborne being in the same allegience also shows true growth of the two races, because the Blood Elves have “their” truest allied race, which ties them to their Highborne past - rather than it be Sylvanas/Forsaken, that solely ties to the Alliance of Lordaeron era.

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:frowning:

I really like Darkshore- Warfront . I am avenging Teldrassil with my characters every time (5) . I miss our Elven City :confused:
I hope that the future for the night elves will be better written.

And i am avenging you for avenging me every time…given the fact both factions get to play and win it, it feels awkward

Dear Troll ,

It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succor of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule

Didn’t you drown in a fountain? Ages since I read the Silmarillion.

that’s for me to know and for you to dot dot dot…

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I will ponder it during my long beach walks.

I’lll post here what i said in the other thread.

And to the question why, I also said.

My conclusion therfore is that while blood elves and nightborne are high elves and night elves but on the horde, they shouldn’t have all the full assets of both.

Blizzard should pick one faction to major in one, and the other faction in the other. Thalassian or night elf.

I would say do up Silvermoon pretty and beautiful… then decide -

1. Alliance get the bulk night elf stuff, all of it but nightborne, horde the thalassian stuff, all but void elves

if alliance is going to major in night elves, then they should get Suramar and a major build up - i’m talking druids, sentinels, priests, highborne, moonguard, Arcane well, world tree, Elune, CoEN etc… their lore their theme - the best stuff from their presundering era (Suramar) and their long vigil era (val’sharah etc)… .Void elves are written into share with them. If high elves come they can split themselves betweeen humans and night elves.

the horde gets the revamped Silvermoon, witha ll the thalassian lore and its assets. the nightborne allied to them go to live there with them.

2. Alliance get the Thalassian elf stuff, the horde the night elf stuff

if alliance is going to major in the Thalassian elves - then high elves and void elves get quel’thalas, and the blood elves lose it

Suramar then is horde, and the blood elves join them in that city, the night elves of the broken isles become part of the effort of the horde, and the night elves become dominant on the horde.

The darnaassian group we originally played in classic, are a remnanat after a genocide, they either get to live with the thalassians in Quel’thalas as lower class sort of thing or in various locations, some with the gilneans, some wtih the humans, but they are a distinctly minorities group.
High elves and void elves are the major alliance elves.

3. Option 3 is as posted Tyllendel: They Share: but with different reasons

Firstly: The elven cities and zones get shared. Silvermoon is shared in a truce between blood elves, high elves and void elves - when the war threatens to destroy the sunwell again in the tug of power, the elves decide this madnessmust stop and the faction conflict must stay out of Quel’thalas. Quel’thalas is declared sacred sanctuary ground and the alliance and horde thalassians agree to both keep the peace, and keep each other in check and the horde and alliance war in check.

in Silvermoon and Quel’danas are the High elves and blood elves. In Ghostlands we get the void elves and san’layn

Secondly: The night elves share Suramar and the broken isles. Far older and far more affected by the legions defeated and liberation of their anceitn duty, despite the vexing of hte horde, the nightborne and night elves end up helping each other. Nightborne owe their kin for 3rice saving them. and the orders create a special relationship. Highborne /Nightobnre , Moonguard/Duskguard get on quite well. Meanwhile, new nightborne druids led by Farodin and the val’sharah druids find kinship in the Cenarion circle night elf druids, and the many new and returned acolytes of Elune from the nightborne find a shared destinty and duty with teh priesthood of elune.

The dedication to order and its ideals for the night elves supercede the horde and alliance war, and this is how Suramar and the broken isles beomes shared. Whiles there are night elves fiercely loyal to the alliance and nightborne who fight for the horde, their devotions come first.( Whether the arcane, or nature or Elune and supercedes faction squabbles), and you never find a nightborne or highborne mage fighting each other, or a nightborne or night elf druid fighitnge each other, nor their priests. but you may have a nightborne priest battling a night elf highborne mage for example.

But even on the battlefield, it is never a direct oonflict, it is more helping their allies and not exactly fighting themselves.

Together the orders each pursue horde and alliance goals. The Order of Elune works to ensure there is never another Arthas or Garrosh arising to terrorise the world, they co-ordinate, the night elves working on the alliance and the nighborne on the horde. The druids work to ensure that the horde and alliance survive and will come together to meet new world threats rather than destroy each other. The mages ensure that learning, civilization and progressive