You’re so naive it’s cute.
All your “ban” will do is just make people take their business to discord, which they already do anyway.
What will be next? You will start banning trading gold in-game?
Thats absolute nonsense.
You think it doesnt make a difference if people spam LFM GDKP in chat or if they are forced to go on discords where people involved risk their accounts? Where it only takes 1 snitch?
Also, if you take that much effort to organise you might as well do it like a guild. GDKP is so widespread because of pugs.
Instead of the “GDKP”, they will invent another term for it, and you will never prove anything because everyone and their mothers has discord nowadays and the whole transaction management can be done via discord.
That’s how boosting communities operate in WoW for years.
It’s like you started playing WoW yesterday or something.
You think you get away when you call stealing borrowing?
You seem to have absolutely 0 idea how laws work. They can call it however they want, if its buying items for gold in a raid it will get all involved parties banned.
And yes this can be tracked ingame as well.
Might as well stop trying to collect taxes because some people can get away without paying them.
Gdkp is a thing because its easy.
If people have to go extra miles in a discord, while risking their whole account, while not even being able to look for a group ingame without risking to get banned, then surprise: a huge amount of players wont do gdkp anymore.
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When 2 people are consenting for the transaction - it’s not stealing, but indeed borrowing.
What “laws”? If I send 600 gold to you by mail and you pick it up, what “law” did we break?
If then I get invited to a raid, item drops and ML assigns it to me - what “law” did we break?
Man, you’re so cute. You really think anyone is going to enforce your “laws”, given how easily everything is done in Discord and ingame you just do standard trades and nothing more.
This is the reason they never prohibited guild boosting for gold. Even if they wanted it - they can’t enforce it.
“Look we can make it really hard to track and still find a way to organize in discord”
Yeah, so what. Apart from that, you think that players sending each other huge amounts of gold while usually having no other connection as the same 10man raid id is not suspicious? You realise they can be as strict as they want with their tos?
Endresult still is that most players will stop doing it for said reasons.
You can go on and on about how people will still find a way, it doesnt matter. Its about how many people will be ready to go through that annoyance.
The ban is to prevent that the majority does it.
The game can handle a few % of tryhards risking their accounts by going extra miles in a discord just to get items faster for real money.
The game can not handle a meta where everyone has a seemingly official way to buy items in ingame chat.
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Here’s how real world works - after all you seem to be brining examples from RL.
In real world you have grey markets, who operate on exactly same principle - they skirt the law by doing “suspicious”, but not quite illegal actions by themselves. And this works, because it simply is not worth the time and effort to prove anything there.
Now back at Blizzard - you have a company that slapped up some hackaton style SoD season with a skeleton crew, that can’t even handle bots that literally flyhack in their faces and you think they are going to be doing some FBI-level investigations based on completely unrelated circumstantial transactions?
LOL
It’s really simple - they can’t enforce whatever you’re babbling about EVEN if they wanted. They don’t have the manpower, the tools and the visibility for it - given most of the business is handled via 3rd party comms anyway and obviously unrelated accounts too.
Heck, they can’t even properly track RMT transactions via AH with botnet accounts, of which there is plenty (all these worthless greens posted for 30-40 gold that bots buy out and this way send money safely to the buyer).
And you want them to track something that is even more difficult to connect, given neither side in boosting transaction botted or did something you can catch ingame.
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The problem is, people also check item levels, so it’s not just the happy moments from winning the casino, but also a disappointment of remaining a “dog”, to quote some forum members.
And of course the uncertainty. I gave up a 4% chance item after a few years of casual farming. The loot system is a casino and for sure, not everyone can handle it. Unfortunately, this is not a pure casino game with dices and cards but also pretends to be a skill based action RPG rewarding said skill.
It’s not a trivial advice.
First, you need knowledge, add-ons to scan it, time to keep doing it, and initial funds.
Second, there are only so many buyers - and AH players. I tried to enter the market a few times (casually!) and I was brutally bullied out.
Third, where do the buyers get their gold from…
In any event, level 25 quests and farming give relatively the most gold, so that’s a good start for funds or else. Should be the priority to get there.
You are still going on about how people will find a way and wont get tracked, so I think you either lack the comprehension to read or the will to contribute anything of value, so ill just quote again, and leave it.
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We have GDKP 20 years and counting, in case you think it wasn’t a thing in Vanilla.
Why? Because there is nothing inherently wrong with it to begin with.
You can be mad about it all you like, but reality is - it’s a perfectly fine and valid way to get items ingame.
Bottom line is - if you want to fight bots - fight bots, not players.
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Really thats all there is to say.
And there are many ways to improve that chance. Many different guild loot system exist, you can take care by building a group with less people to roll on your stuff etc
However, if you participate in a random raid, contributing like everyone else, you shouldnt have close to zero chance to get some items because other players bought gold OR farmed for hours. Whoever thinks this is fine really needs to think a bit. But I guess to dislike gdkp even without rmt is a opinion about a scenario that doesnt exist, because rmt and bots always will be a part, and in that scenario it should be really clear.
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This is sort of important.
I don’t know how it actually works, but people have this legend of tainted gold.
So I could, in theory, sell a portal and get suspended. At best, it gets lifted but I lose the gold and the reagent. Replace the portal with a nice world drop BoE if you wish.
Either it’s a lot more complicated in reality or it’s shaking the foundations of trust in trading.
I admit I have a naive view of this, sort of intentionally.
My main play is dungeons, I don’t actually raid, anyway to me the idea of helping others and getting some resource out of it makes sense. I.e. once I gear up my healer and tank, I get 20% of the cash and about 10% of the gear. (Hence the bonus satchel idea.) In this scenario, something to motivate me to keep playing is helpful. Even personal loot is superior for it, slower gearing aside.
“I help others for fun” only works so long.
I see that “helping others” quickly turns into “farming currency” which turns to “LFM BFD 30+ 9/7 full epic bring cons buffs invite fee 10g”.
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I think it’s the other way round, buddy.
You seem to be thinking that your vision to how this game is supposed to be played is some sort of “human right”.
The difference is that I don’t rush in and demand the world to align with my vision - you do.
So the entitlement part is on you here.
Yep, this is all kinds of a slippery slope.
GDKP is just the chief boogieman of people who don’t have the in-game means to use it. It’s just the “big bad” they designated as the issue.
Where the reality is - botting is the issue and inflated GDKP/AH prices/Services are the symptom.
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I’m confused, is this post satire ?
So you are just basically a loot goblin? Ive been in raids where i never got an item once, dont see me crying about it, i enjoyed raiding and spending time with friends more than an upgrade…
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The game must be changed in order to go forward without turning away its playerbase, don’t forget we are not a growing playerbase.
Banning GDKP would make them turn to use outside of game methods, but the majority of normal players would just accept its against TOS and stop, thus achieving the result of reducing RMT advantageous practices in game.
Any and every inconvenience towards the fight against RMT is worth it, if done correctly…
It really isn’t rocket science.
You think bots care about an inconvenience? You’re only actually punishing real players, not bots.
What do you refer to?
Just bought my epic xbow on fresh 25 hunter with 121gs, blessed GDKPs