so just cut the phrase altogether, as it doesnt add anything to the conversation (according to your incorrect interpretation) and say what you mean.
Of course it adds something. It gives a general idea of what is being talked about. It just needs a bit more explanation. How is that a problem?
When someone says âthis soup could use a little seasoningâ then the general idea is clear, but that person should probably make it clear exactly what kind of seasoning they would like in their soup.
That kind of thing.
Hey now. No need for that.
Yours is just different from mine. Both can be correct. Both can be wrong.
It all depends on context.
Agreed. That would help if people did that.
Anyway⌠This thread isnât about borrowed power. Itâs about the talent tree, which I believe to be a boon to the game.
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Yeah because thatâs when it became apparent that that there was an issue with borrowed power systems. this new type of borrowed power systems were new in legion, people didnât know what would happen with their artifact weapons after legion or that we would get a new system to completely replace the artifact weapons until bfa was announced.
That does not mean that borrowed power only refers to borrowed power systems.
So this is a âeveryone who disagree with me is wrongâ situation?
I havenât seen anyone except some forum posters that have as narrow of a definition on borrowed power as you do.
Content creators also points to tier sets as an example of borrowed power.
So both the creators of the game and the people who create content about the game agree that borrowed power is " Power not inherent to your character ".
External powers that you have and are designed to be for a limited time.
The majority disagree with your narrow definition.
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Yeah, iâm hearing this since WoD. âWe learned our lessons, we will listen to feedbackâ, then they proceed to screw up something thatâs even worse while not listening to feedback.
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Recently evidence seems to suggest that they have been listening to feedback.
its nice to have dreams.
if you that person is wrong, then yes.
alot of people recognize soy milk as a type of milk. does it mean they are correct ? no.
what other people think isnt always correct. regardless of how many say it.
?
im guessing you refer to streamers or youtubers.
they are not creating content, they are just playing the game and talk labout it. like we are doing right now.
guess we are also content creatorsâŚ
and btw, they are players just lilke you and me, their thoughts arent special.
but they totally learned this time niodd like the thousands of times before when they said they was listing but they really was not 
It sounds like youâre having nightmares.
Maybe you should come into reality with the rest of us. Itâs safe here⌠promise.
So everyone is wrong then except you?
The game director and developers recognizes tier sets etc as borrowed power.
Content creators recognizes tier sets etc as borrowed power.
Their jobs revolve around world of warcraft by either making the game or sharing guides and information about the game.
But you are the one who defines what terms are used to describe things in this game?
They literally are creating content, not in the game but about the game.
Their hobby and job is learning and sharing information about world of warcraft.
Where do you think all the guides comes from?
It seems like the majority agree that the definition of borrowed power is:
âExternal and temporary power not inherent to your characterâ
Which seems pretty logical.
You seem to define it as:
âThese specific systems, in these specific expansions. And nothing elseâ
Is that correct? Or do you want to add something to that?
I dont really see how your definition would be what people would agree on if polled.
talents can be changed.
is it a borrowed power ?
mounts can be deactivated.
is it borrowed power ?
our characters dont have power to it, everything we have comes from outside sources. so literally everything in the game is borrowed power according to you ?
No, because you always have access to those talents.
They are part of your character.
Remove your gear, remove your covenant, remove any external buffs.
What is left is your characters inherent power.
Your base stats, your abilities, your talents.
No.
You have unlocked your riding skill and mounts and they will always be part of your character from now on. My first character still has his riding skill and mount.
And mounts dont provide any power since they cant be used during combat.
i can always just clear all of them.
the riding skill is useless if i dont use a mount.
same as some spells are useless if you dont wear a 2-handed weapon, but according to you, weapons are borrowed power and spells arent. sooooo thats kind of weird.
flight or ground speed grant alot to your character power. flight allows you to reach places and raids you wouldnt be able to get there without flight. places with upgrades to your character powers.
By deleting the character or what?
Unless you delete it you will still have your base stats, abilities and talents.
You cant remove them.
Yeah? What is your point?
I still have my riding skill and flying mount? Had them for years, permanently unlocked on my character, I cant remove my riding skill.
And it doesnât matter if I canât use my skill without a weapon, the skill is still bound to my character, I canât delete it. Even if i temporarely unlearn it while changing spec I can just change back and it will still be there.
Not weird at all, bad design maybe. Spell casters dont have that problem.
Weapons and gear is easily acquired though so itâs hardly an issue.
Yeah flying is a great tool, luckily after you learn your flying skill its now a permanent part of your character that you cant lose.
Also who needs flying when you have a warlock in the raid.
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