Why wow is not fun

[Misanthrope-chamber-of-aspects (Misanthrope)]

It is what it is - it will never be a one size fits all environment.

To some M+ and Mythic Raiding is their end-game - they live in the content and do little else.

To others they play the AH for gold.

It’s a very feature rich game when you get out and explore the content - there is generally always something that will offer a challenge and divert your mind from the everyday worries of work, finances, children etc.

So I think it would be unfair to say the game isn’t fun - but I think it is obvious that there are aspects of the game that frustrate folk who only want to dip into a small part of the current content.

I have spent the last few hours collecting the Treasure Achievements in Zandalar - who knows - I may need them for Pathfinder Part 2 - it’s immersive - gets you to know the geography better - and it’s a break from WQ’s.

If you can’t find something in the game that you enjoy I’d say spend time doing something else you do enjoy

[Sholah-hyjal]

Does a lvl110 even manage to take the whole quillboar farm at once without cd ? If my 390 gear ,which anyone can get easely, can survive then how about a 415 ? Or next season ?

Once again i’d like some comparison with older exp since i didn’t play them. Was the open world content overpowered by casualy geared caracters 6 months after launch ?

[Gráinne-earthen-ring]

@Sholah-hyjal

Does a lvl110 even manage to take the whole quillboar farm at once without cd ?

Easily. Without even trying. At least, as much as can be pulled at once; they do tend to reset when pulled too far, of course. Also Ettin elites, btw.

We will have to wait for next season to see what happens next season, of course.

[Brianboru-outland]

@Grimmorp-twilights-hammer

hat’s why I say time and SKILL. I can’t login on a Tuesday and be fully geared on week 1.

You are far from fully gear’d.

[Brianboru-outland]

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

Guilds are still a great means to meet likeminded individuals. Just because you can PuG stuff don’t mean it’s the best way. I see daily posts about “PuG’s ruining the game” and most common suggestion being “join a guild”. I agree here, guilds make people connect. I do however agree a guild hall feature whould be fun…

The problem is that with content having no hard raid locks that people just keep group hopping to get the boss kill they want. That is killing guilds.

[Bruuz-aggramar (Bruuz)]

Good points, but I’m afraid this forum is only hosting a bubble of people that still persist with the game in current state, or maybe people like me, with a morbid curiosity to see if they will be rezzing this game anytime soon.

[Misanthrope-chamber-of-aspects (Misanthrope)]

id say that was a little judgemental - even if unintended.

It would also be a truism that around 60% of the people who use the forum don’t actually pay a current sub.

That aside - as I said in my comment - if you don’t enjoy it don’t play - if you do then go for it.

I don’t understand the folk who post about how bad the game is in their view - it is what it is - go do something you find enjoyable if you don’t like it - I know no other game where the dissatisfied complain so much on a forum

[Grimmorp-twilights-hammer]

@Brianboru-outland

You are far from fully gear’d

True, but I’m way past the content I’m doing.

@Bruuz-aggramar

Good points, but I’m afraid this forum is only hosting a bubble of people that still persist with the game in current state, or maybe people like me, with a morbid curiosity to see if they will be rezzing this game anytime soon.

Someone that understands. The wow mmo experience is truly not there anymore. Let’s hope Blizzard comes around.

@Misanthrope-chamber-of-aspects

That aside - as I said in my comment - if you don’t enjoy it don’t play - if you do then go for it.

Thats BS. If you played a great game for a long time and they make it bad. You have to say something. I want to play wow, its not fun ATM. It needs to change.

@Misanthrope-chamber-of-aspects

It is what it is - it will never be a one size fits all environment.

To some M+ and Mythic Raiding is their end-game - they live in the content and do little else.

To others they play the AH for gold.

This is true. But what do we have for old school players that wants a RPG / MMO? We get casual lets try and cater for the Fortnite kids crap.

@Duzurîx-burning-blade

criticizing empty world, calling guilds wasteland and suggesting guild housing in a same post feels to me a bit silly.

Gsrrisons were basicaly that. They werent very popular.

This is not true. Garrison was a great idee, implemented wrong. It made the world empty, because it was you and the Garrison. Imagine a garrison for Guilds? We know it will work, look at class halls, an idee that Blizzard abandoned after one expansion.

@Ishayu-frostmane

There’s way too many problems to get into here, but in short:

• There’s a lack of interesting resource mechanics. Generally “ABC” applies - always be casting. Well, what if you want to play something with more downtime? Doesn’t exist, sorry. Deal with it.
• Utilities don’t cost anything, and classes are simmed to do the same DPS. As a result, classes with the best utility just straight up win the contest. Rogues are good in M+ because of the percentage combined with the timer and their AoE stealth plus their very high AoE damage, and everyone wants an AoE CC, so shockwave, leg sweep, Fel Eruption, and even Ursol’s Vortex (hence resto druids) rule the day. In raids, where there’s less room per player and usually single targets, melees suck pretty much in general. Some fights like an even distribution, others punish even having a few melee very hard. No fights punishing not having melee at all. BIG problem.
• Classes that have high AoE are not balanced against classes that don’t, because they’re both balanced around their single target damage, not AoE. This is another reason why rogues are so ridiculous in M+. Btw rogues being masters of AoE is ridiculous. Just gonna put that out there.
• Healers have so much mana and everyone is taking so much damage that healers aren’t really thinking about when a heal is needed, they’re just desperately scrambling to keep everyone alive. To the extent they stop healing, it’s because they think the time is better spent DPS’ing. Mana, in general, is not a big issue, and this got so bad in arena PvP that they gave us several different systems to try to drain healers out of mana over time, and only recently did they realise that it was actually MP5.
• GCD locking can be very frustrating if your utilities and cooldowns are on GCD’s themselves, which they should be to avoid breaking PvP, because in PvP there otherwise is a choice of whether to signal incoming damage and letting the opponent react vs. not signalling it before the stun and then popping it, but sacrificing some of that damage. But if we’re constantly pressing rotational buttons, popping a damage CD comes at the cost of popping a damage ability at all, at any time, and therefore the CD starts to feel like a dud in PvE, raiding especially. Not good! And again, as mentioned in the first point in this list, there’s just no way out of this. There literally does not exist any class in the entire game that doesn’t have this problem. It’s completely universal.

Good valid points. You get it

@Sholah-hyjal

Can’t agree with the scaling. You do feel the progression even if the content scale, since it scale slower than players do.

Yes we do scale. But if I have 400 ilvl something that gives me 300 gear should be trivial. I know we do get stronger. It just FEELS like we are not. If you played wow for a long time or even other MMO’s you’ll understand this.

[Drashicho-hyjal]

i agree on alot of point.

scaling.
im 404 and pull like a moron and sith lord everything.

gear.
yes gear is easy to get, at a point if you don’t have the skill you are hitting a wall in the most brutal way.
alot of people should not have acces to an easy gearing system like that, because it remove their learning curve and make them not wanting to improve.

yeah the learning curve is f up because of that.

the best exemple about gear and skill is my guild im in atm.
my guild is currenly 4/9 hm the group is about 400ilvl and alot of my guildmate are casual has f…
my guild leader won’t put anyone aside because she don’t want drama, but at the same time the group is struggling past opulence because alot of them are unskilled(don’t worry they aleardy know i said that numorous time on discord) and we are picking pug for countering that.

i often heard my gm say yeah you know we need get better ilvl and 90% of the time i say to her gear help yes but doing the same mistake over and over again don’t help at all. yes the gear help but a underskilled player with the best gear still a underskilled play.

[Grimmorp-twilights-hammer]

@Drashicho-hyjal

i agree on alot of point.

scaling.
im 404 and pull like a moron and sith lord everything.

gear.
yes gear is easy to get, at a point if you don’t have the skill you are hitting a wall in the most brutal way.
alot of people should not have acces to an easy gearing system like that, because it remove their learning curve and make them not wanting to improve.

yeah the learning curve is f up because of that.

the best exemple about gear and skill is my guild im in atm.
my guild is currenly 4/9 hm the group is about 400ilvl and alot of my guildmate are casual has f…
my guild leader won’t put anyone aside because she don’t want drama, but at the same time the group is struggling past opulence because alot of them are unskilled(don’t worry they aleardy know i said that numorous time on discord) and we are picking pug for countering that.

i often heard my gm say yeah you know we need get better ilvl and 90% of the time i say to her gear help yes but doing the same mistake over and over again don’t help at all. yes the gear help but a underskilled player with the best gear still a underskilled play.

Thank you. This is exactly what I mean. Skill and time should = gear. Not login and get.

[Brianboru-outland]

@Drashicho-hyjal

scaling.
im 404 and pull like a moron and sith lord everything.

While you can do that with some trash, the CC added to more world trash such as the stuns the pirates do in the south of voldun still make the painful. They won’t kill you using defensives and high AOE, but painful none the less. At my ilev they should feel like swatting flies at this stage.

[Drashicho-hyjal]

you are a priest you should struggle a little😋

[Brianboru-outland]

@Drashicho-hyjal

you are a priest you should struggle a little😋

Not on shadow I shouldn’t. I find you can pull thirty or forty mobs quite easily. However some of the CC they gave world mobs is there to deliberately slow you down, just like dazzed, and no flying, artificial time-gating.

[Drashicho-hyjal]

before flying that was comon. getting dismount and slowed, adding some cc to mob give something to them

[Meiri-draenor (Meiri)]

* I don’t see other player anymore. Isn’t the whole point of MMOs to play with other players? Sharding is killing the game. Create server populations again. Create a sense of community. The only time I see players are in city hubs. We need server communities again.

I don’t know how you do it, I see other people all the time.

* We need more incentive to join guilds. Guilds used to be a great method to make friends now it’s a wasteland. There’s no reason to join guilds. The communities feature has some good features but it’s not enough. We had class halls. Why not guild halls?

Guild halls may be nice, but a reason to join a guild is mostly raiding/m+ with people you get to know and play with again.There are really not many playerd that are not in some guild.

* Level scaling was a good idea. But don’t do it with latest content. I want to feel like I’m getting stronger in the world. Does world content really need to be balanced? Why does WQ have to be a challenge? If I get better gear content should become trivial. I don’t do it for the gear anymore. I’m past that.

When you get good gear WQ become easier.

[quote] * Players that play a lot should be rewarded. At the moment I can log in and be Mythic raid ready within a day or 2. This is not fair towards players playing non stop.

• Gear is to easy to get. There are to many LFR quality players doing heroic raids and failing. High end content is becoming more accessible, but it gets frustrating playing with players that have no clue how to do the content. There needs to be a learning curve. iLvl requirement helps with this, but gear is just to easy to get.[/quote]

Those are connected. Yes, players get loads of gear now, and most of it goes to the scrapper or gets disenchanted. Now you can be happy when you get a titanforged item, not a normal one.

* Character progression is a joke. Is wow not a rpg? A level 1 toon feels pretty much the same as a level 119 toon (I know I’m over exaggerating a bit) But if I don’t see the chat and pop up I wouldn’t even know I leveled. Each level should mean something.

Sure but there are so many levels it’s pretty much impossible to get something every level.

* Characters should feel unique. There is not a single class that feels fun to me. I click my 3/4 buttons in my rotation and that’s that. There’s no interesting gameplay. Everyone plays the same build and that’s that. Look at m+ logs. Prot tank Druid heal 2 rogues. There’s no interesting gameplay, no variation in tactics.

Maybe in mdi and top of the rankings, but really when I do +10-15 keys I get to play with many more classes, not only meta ones.