WoW and all Expansions based on MetaCritic score

Yeah no, You can write wall of text all you want but esti’s dont lie.

Are you seriously asking me if I have stepped foot in raids?

The only reason RWF currently lasts over a week is because of all the addon use and blizzard theming them around addon use because they dont have dances like FFXIV’s raids.

Also RWF on FFXIV does not last a few hours. Its just not as ‘importnant’ to sponsers as wow’s RWF seems to be.


If you honestly think I dont got a clue what M+ actually as then you can just move along? I dont need KSM to know what M+ is and I dont like M+, so deal with it.

So where’s the content then? Where’s the store quest content that doesnt take as short as 20 hours?

I dont care about PVP. And FFXIV is build for the story, and people get pulled into it because its a really good story.

I do care about story. Its kinda sad you have 15 hours to get loremaster (At least thats how long I took).

Yet you’re end game content is in decline, proven statistically by Bellular on multiple locations…

Funny claim to make.

Why would you meassure the two when they are completely different MMORPGS?

The only thing they have in common is the MMO. WoW’s attempt at crating order is the closest thing even similar when it comes to gameplay.

Oh… an FFXIV does not have crappy shardind and you actually see everyone in the cities without it impacting fps that much at all

Legion was the only expansion I didn’t buy on purpose because I didn’t know M+ got introduced and PvP was ruined.

Besides the fact metacritic is absolutely irrelevant, the reason why WotLK could have scored well is the new, op and easy to play class (DK) and all the improvements compared to classic and TBC.
Legion introduced another new, op and easy to play class and iirc implemented M+, this is still the most played PvE end game content, so this would be not surprising people liked this.

Do you mean by “esti’s” something specific or simply the term “estimates”?

Sure, but Both WOTLK and Legion scored more because it was actually warcraft.

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Funny how in many cases Metacritic is considered “wrong” everytime it gives to a game unfavourable scores and “right” on the favourable ones

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Yo really think ppl care or know what "real warcraft " is? Ppl wanna have fun.

Idk what was warcraft about Legion. WotLK was warcraft to me but nobody somewhat sane in his mind could take a review honest where you have at least 1 mil active players and only ~1k reviews.
FF14 having good reviews is not surprising. FF is in general a great franchise while I consider FF14 a failure. It provides zero end game content except for raids, which are just a re-skin of itself. It makes it very casual friendly tho but that’s not something people look for who like MMORPGs. Also, the FF14 playerbase does not allow to say anything negative about the game at all, regardless how accurate the criticism is.
If somebody says “WoW has no content” people will bring you up actual content and call you out, like that one guy who didn’t play anything and claims there is no content. If you do that in FF14 they bully the sh*t out of you and tell you to gtfo. Their toxicity is on another level, which is why no FF14 content creator dares to say any criticism about FF14. I wanted to play FF14 at some point but simply couldn’t, there was no end game. You kill the bosses once, wait for reset and that’s it. They failed to implement end game dungeon content for at least 10 years. Yoshi P acknowledged the lack of content for people who actually want to play the game and not just chat and do weebo activities, which is why he told people to play other games as long as they work on the new raid(s).

Reading the reviews from both games, people only whiteknight for FF14 with zero arguments or mention the story, which is true, it’s good except the execution. (too much running around) The moment it comes to gameplay, player choice, content, netcode etc, the game simply goes down, it’s ultra outdated.
Reading the negative WoW reviews, people complain about price, some bugs and apparently lack of content, which in comparison to FF14 can’t be true, since it factually already has more end game content by default for years. You have also non-sense comments saying like Evoker is not a new race but just a re-skin, which is beyond stupid. And you also have comments like from OP (but another post) who say you have to rush (like he did) and then claim there was nothing to do, which is simply not true. OP choosed to rush, didn’t play any content and then complains the game is lacking content.

That’s the kind of people who write these reviews and it’s a minority of a minority hence why irrelevant.

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Also, the FF14 playerbase does not allow to say anything negative about the game at all, regardless how accurate the criticism is.
[/quote]Dude.

Why are you taking this thing so serious?

You can critisice FFXIV all you want.

If you cant btw see why Legion was more wacraft then wod, BFA, SL and DF I am honestly thinking you did not play WC III

Have you ever heard of … I don’t know … SURVEYS ? Where 1-2k people out of an entire country of 1-100 mils etc, are asked questions? Or the SURVEYS Blizzard is sending to some hundreds of players to ask them…stuff?

Yes? Have you? Great. This is the exact same thing.

You welcome!

MetaCritic is used by garbage basement dwellers who want the old WoW back, or just have a general disdain for Blizzard yet, for some reason, continue playing their games.
MetaCritic is not, and will never be, an unbiased rating. Please stop using it as a tier list for everyone’s favourite expansion, because it’s completely wrong.

or maybe they just like most people will play he expansion with 2 months of gametime or just sub for a month, and stop playing.

Dont say those people ‘still’ keep playing. You dont know that.

I am not, I am explaining to you why you won’t find anything negative about FF14.

When I was playing FF14, I saw a big FF14 creator (100k+ subs) trying to share his opinion what FF14 could do better. His vid got insta ratio-bombed by the FF14 community.

I did, I just never really cared about it. But if you don’t see how M+ is a very successful content (even FF14 community was asking it for years) and Legion implemented exactly this, while the WoW playerbase cares about gameplay mainly and not story… then ye…
Without being too much into Warcraft story, I assume there were other expansions which were more Warcraft than Legion, right? So by your own logic, if “being more Warcraft” is the reason, why did the “more Warcraft” expansions do worse than the one where they implemented M+?

So , just against WoW or Metacritic as a whole?

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt

Good games receive good User Score like Witcher 3 , as you can see from above.

But as soon as your …maybe, favorite MMO, WoW is having shtty score, MetaCritic sucks, right?

/facepalm

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“very sucessfull”

Numbers From shadowlands?

10% of lvl 60 characters had KSM

Yeah very successfull :stuck_out_tongue:

And now name me any relevant institution which takes a survey of 1-2k people, for millions of people, serious or somehow representative? If anything, you’ll always see a mention how the sample size is too small to make a conclusion.
On top of that, comparing metacritic to any survey is beyond stupid. Nobody chose the participants, you got a bunch of biased people hating or whiteknighting for something. Is like making a blind folded survey and telling the people if they get a placebo or not. Very representative.

It’s difficult to compare a single player game to an MMO. People devote much of their time to MMOs, and when something gets changed they don’t like they will voice their opinion. Some of the reviews reflect this. You don’t really get that problem with single player games because they don’t change.

It’s not my favourite. It just happens to be the one I’m playing at this time until I return to my favourite (suffered a bit of burnout).

  1. Successful
  2. M+ is successful it’s a fact?
  3. You want to deny FF14 community begged for years for something like M+?
  4. Just because someone can’t do it, doesn’t mean it’s not successful. Check how many runs were done (rio site), not how many got an achievement, that’s too hard for the majority.

Huh?

FF XIV has good user scores.

Both GW have good user scores

Even free 2 play games like Perfect World have better user scores

Wildstar, ya know, the actuall wow clone, actually had better user scores

SW TOR currently has better scores.

Everquest has better scores

10% of end game players in SL had KSM.

Thats not successfull.

  1. Successful, not successfull
  2. An achievement has nothing to do with a content being successful or not. It’s the amount of people playing it.

You only had 50% of end game characters setting FOOT in at least ONE M+ dungean.

And yes, you can 100% make this awssumption because most people only play lower keys.

But keep saying it was successfull. Keep saying that :wink: