WoW Cataclysm Classic basically is CLASSIC+ and better than Wrath!

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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You insist on playing a game you regard as trash, why? What are you getting out of it?
If there’s anyone who should seriously consider quitting it’s you - or does your addiction outweigh your feelings? i.e playing WoW not because you want to, but because you have to?

And once again you spout out the old ‘recreations of old games should not cater for people who want to play recreations of old games’ shtick.

Why indeed should WotLK cater for someone who wants to play WolK? One of life’s deep, abiding mysteries.

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Cos i’m having Fun with friends and my friends are source of fun not the game. That being said i can’t ignore obvious flaws of the game i explained multiple times. In addition to that i play in order to get unobtainable rewards such as pvp tabards or glad mounts that i’ll be able to use when the game that has less flaws comes out.

Well i Guess i might not be clear with my message or i Guess IT shouldnt be directed to you - i’m looking forward to cataclysm however there are people who dont want it to be released and well i guess it should have been directed rather to them. If you want to play trash expansions Forever go for it however pepple shouldnt say cata shouldnt be released just cos they dont enjoy x about expansion while there are people who are looking forward to it.

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Please explain one thing to me. How come you claim to like Wrath levelling experience, and hate Cata old world rework, when all it does is brings Azeroth and Kalimdor up to the levelling style of Outland and Northrend. When compared to Vanilla, all Wrath does to the 1-60 bracket is makes mounts available sooner and for cheaper, less xp per level and some minor QoL changes. There is very little difference in tone and gameplay between Northrend and Cata zones.
Frankly, it sounds to me you actually like Vanilla and hate Wrath. Am I wrong?

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My advice would be to stop offering this guy the pedestal.
His opinion is repeated 10x in every possible thread, we get it, we get it every day.

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You gave surprisingly reasonable answers. Ok fair enough.

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View activity\normal\ignore\forever.

There you go. No need to worry about anything I post ever again.

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You are fundamentally wrong. I like vanilla, and I like Wrath. They are (for me) essentially the same experience when levelling. The only differences are a higher level cap, the removal of a handful of elite world mobs, a boat to Stormwind and spell/ability x behaves slightly differently to how it behaved in 2005.

I explained my feelings about the old world rework very clearly in this thread:

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did i say something incorrect?

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Yeah, I read your post, you are lamenting how very different the revamped world is from the vanilla one. That is precisely what I meant. To compare Cata to Wrath you should compare the Northrend experience to Cata zones, and frankly, it’s pretty close. Once you hit Northrend and get a couple of queat rewards, maybe a blue or two from UK/Nexus, you also become basically immortal except for 5man elite quests, especially with the overpowered 70-80 unlocked abilities. I just recently started a hunter alt, to get it to level 16 and be ready for some dungeon spam. I sent myself full hairloom set with enchants and went ahead killing trolls in kharantos. And mobs died basically as soon as I looked at them. BEFORE I got my pet. Once I got it, I stopped using abilities alltogether. One charge from Porkins and one autoshot from me kills basically any mob my level or below. I routinely charged my pig into camps of 4-5 troggs or trolls and killed them all before any reached me. Trivial. That is Wrath gameplay.
Now what you personally, weirdly impose on yourself is much closer to first time Vanilla playthrought than Wrath alt levelling. Just fyi. So you are basically proving my point, you are comparing Cataclysm to Vanilla, not Wrath.

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You contradicted yourself right there.

I heard a lot of good about SOME Cataclysm boss fights. But a few bosses is not the whole game.

Cataclysm pvp was so slow that most fights at the start of the expansion ended up with healer vs healer until one got bored enough to quit.

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I was talking about pvp And well there were no rating requirements for pvp gear except for T2 weapons. And obviously 2s is a joke bracket even now when 2 teams dont want to lose they can draw easily (just today i had atleast 5 30min arenas) so if you want pvp you need to play Real bracket which is 3s not 2s since they removed glad from 2s back in wrath. So no i did not contradict myself.

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Northrend questing is, by and large, an inferior experience to that of vanilla or TBC due to it’s increased linearity, but it still feels fundamentally different to Cataclsym.

Northrend zones don’t, for the most part, consist of endless clashing battles between hordes of NPCs that your actions cannot affect. There are some exceptions, but these are rare.

Northrend zones, for the most part are open and lend themselves to exploration.

Northrend quests still encourage travel between zones, you’re not instantly teleported between zones after completing a quest, save in a few very specific circumstances.

Northrend zones still feature quests that you have to hand in, you’re not given them instantly via a ‘radio’.

Northrend still features elite quests. Sure some of them aren’t that hard, but they’re still elite quests.

Northrend quests have you as just one small soldier, solving local small-scale problems, you’re not the ‘Chosen One’.

Northrend quests are, for the most part, thematically appropriate to the zone and generally take themselves seriously. You are not re-acting stupid pop culture scenarios, or doing the cartoony crap we saw in Cata.

The Northend questing experience is reasonably well balanced. You are not catapaulted through it at breakneck speed. The experience still takes time.

But none of the above is what’s truly relevant. Northrend zones have always been Northrend zones.

If it were to follow the Cataclysm model then Howling Fjord would be rent open by a huge earthquake, towns trashed, gaping fissures opened in the earth and the zone would become a swarming chaotic battlefield with mobs forever pouring from the ground, and you’d be playing with the knowledge that it never used to be like that.

That’s the real point. I grew to love the old vanilla zones.
They were ruined.
I just want to play the original zones. I don’t think it’s a huge amount to ask.

The other point is of course that you are basically comparing apples with oranges.
Northend zones are not changed with Cataclysm VANILLA zones are changed.

So even if what you say is true and Northrend zones are similar to Cata zones it wouldn’t matted as it’s not the Northrend zones that I care about.

Right now you’re thinking: “Then play Classic era.” But that’s a poor solution. I want the whole experience from one to 80.

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The way you differentiate Wotlk-Cata is the same as Cata>every other xpac after it.

Accept that the xpacs are significantly different each time and stop insisting the narrative that Cata is retail and every other xpac behind it is the same. Each Xpac changes the game significantly and has its advantages and disadvantages.

If you want people to accept your view of the differences between Wotlk>cata, accept that too.

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I already stated further up the thread thread that there were differences in basic nuts and bolts spell mechanics and end game mechanics in Cata and retail. What more do you want?

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For you to cease downplaying the difference and writing essays about how in wrath their is a squirrel with a scar on his nose and in cata he is roadkill.
Every xpac is different, the incredible short sightedness and irony that is loving wrath, hating cata, because of the changes, and then going on to say that cata is the same as retail, is the same argument you dislike when people say cata is the same as wrath, have some self awareness.

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So if I’m reading this correctly, what you want me to say is:

"Cataclysm Chromie time quest hubs in the retail client and Cataclysm-era quest hubs in the Cataclysm-era client are fundamentally, profoundly, comprehensively different from each other to the extent of being a different game entirely.

The act of killing a Crocalisk in the Wetlands in retail when compared to killing a crocalisk in Wetlands in Cataclysm is so breathtakingly different that it’s akin to comparing a hovercraft to a Mars Bar. It looks different, it feels different, it sounds different, it is different in every conceivable way.

If I were to take a person who has never played an MMO and asked him to kill that crocalisk in retail, and then asked him to kill the same crocalisk in Cata his reaction would be: “My God! You asked me to play two entirely different videogames, one is like Pong, the other is like Starfield!”

If I said that would you be happy and just block me or something or at least stop responding?

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Seems like you are proving you are here for the clout, since when given reasonable criticism of your statements, you ignore it and instead move into facetious sarcasm.

Didn’t take much to get to your core.

If cata is the same as retail, then wotlk is the same as cata. There you go.

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And the main thrust of your arguments is: “Elennae posts too much and uses too many words.”

And I gave you a solid solution to the problem, forum posters can be blocked. Then you’ll never have to read anything I post again, and you can relax, free of all contrasting opinions and secure in a forum echo chamber.

As for the rest, you were the one who started with the ‘facetious sarcasm.’

how in wrath their is a squirrel with a scar on his nose and in cata he is roadkill.

I responded in kind.

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do you not even remotely see the hypocrisy.

I just change the word cata to wotlk and the message is 100% the same.

You are arguing against yourself whenever you post.

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And you insist on arguing back. I already explained in considerable detail why I think the Cata questing experience is different to the Wrath experience, if you choose to ignore my other posts it’s not really my problem.

You will never see it, people like you never do. All you see is ‘FASTER, FASTER, FASTER, MORE CONVENIENCE, MORE FREE STUFF, MORE QOL, GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO’ like you have a bloody train to catch or something.

It doesn’t really matter what I say, there’s no arguing with that kind of mindset.

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