I know this may be shocking. But many player don’t play at max level. I think we even have a MVP on this forum with no level 120
It’s a weird kind of bitterness that you just have to ignore. It’s like the people that wish Classic to fail or wish Battle for Azeroth to fail instead of just celebrating them both.
I have spent a huge amount of time on the stress test servers this weekend and I’m having the most fun I’ve had in ages.
Some people will always feel a need to claim this game is dying or dead or whatever. Whilst it may not have the sub numbers it had at it’s height in Wrath it still has a substantially sized player base.
Long may we enjoy this World of Warcraft 
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Doomsayers have been around for 10+ years. BfA is not a popular expansion - true, but WoW is far from dead. In fact, there should be a sense of optimism; a struggling expansion should pave way to a better one, and we can only hope that devs work on what matters to players. Ion admitting that they went far with pruning is a promising move towards actually fixing the game.
The success of Classic would also highlight the stuff that made WoW such a great MMORPG, and we hope that some of the countless bad decisions made over the years are reversed.
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I really asking my self this question aswell what if classic really launches.
Something that is really confusing me in different ways.
What will actually going to happen with BFA?
What should be done to let people keep playing the currently wow from now as we know it?
Do not misunderstand me neither i made this question because I am very frustrated and made it for my self really understandable if blizzard will keep continue to keep the current wow alive or not.
Blizzard sold 3,4 million copy’s of BFA on the first day + atleast 1 month full for each of this.
Do you believe that alone isn’t enough to keep it running ?
I mean a bump in subscribers since mid-may isn’t really any indication of WoW doing well either though. Dunno why everyone has such a hard-on for claiming WoW is dying or thriving, no one has a clue how WoW is actually doing except Blizz.
There’s always a portion of people coming back whenever there’s a new patch and on top of that the “open beta” for classic has been going on so I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to suggest a sizeable part of those new subscribers since mid-may are here for classic.
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It’s because of classic. Not BfA 8.2…
Edit: currently you need a sub to play the stress server on wow classic.
Edit: Oh! Your the player that is a WoW fan boi…So, you already know, why wow as gained its members but your just trolling here…
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As Destruct said before this data is meaningless and doesn’t prove either side of the argument. You can’t just take 2 very different parts of patch cycle (end of prev one compared to start of this new one) especially when you take into account other important factors like classic as well. The statement is obviously tailored to paint them in a good light financially to appeal to investors. Nothing wrong with that, but it certainly isn’t rock hard evidence.
While I think retail is in a very bad state compared to other times, that’s entirely subjective and I still enjoy certain parts enough to warrant a sub. ( for me that’s leveling, especially with all the new races, and playing with friends.) I think BfA has really great gameplay for most classes ( again this is subjective, and I mostly play PvE, but been playing since TBC and I think classes are the best in recent expacs, my personal favourite was WoD for most.) which older expacs can’t compare to, but I think most systems were better in the older days. (Personal favorite was WoTLK with the emblems and tabards.)
I agree that being strongly BfA or strongly Classic while hating on the other is completely pointless, they have certain aspects that are better in both. I honestly just wish for an expac like WoTLK (system and content wise) while having WoD/Legion/BfA classes. And Kill Shot. And then I would be a truly happy man.
But honestly I think if WoW just didn’t try to be an esport, my enjoyment would increase tenfold, as most of the current elements I don’t enjoy stem from Blizzard trying to push WoW as one.
I’d be really interested to know how the ppl saying the subs increase is due to classic know that for certain. It’s represented as being a “well everyone knows that” kind of comment.
I’m sure classic is responsible for some growth, but to say its all down to classic, how do you know this?
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wow aint dead probably wont be for years, though servers are close to dead, where only viable for any new player is to go on a high or full server, where medium server and low server looses more and more players.
WoW deserves more subs when gameplay itself improves. 9.0 is a questionmark, but I would not expect miracles.
I disagree with people claiming this patch was bad. I would say it actually revitalized the people who left around Uldir or even longer before that, personally I left somewhere mid WoD due to personal reasons. The guild I recently made is made up entirely of returning players and we have daily 20-30 people online of which 20 are raiding. However what I often see is players sitting in their dead guilds, this is coming from a few people who I recently recruited for the raid team. They keep on hoping for their old friends to come back but they never do, at best they log in for a bit and then decide the game just isn’t fun anymore. This is usually due to burn outs or they just moved on and time spend on WoW can be allocated somewhere else instead. However, if you don’t move on and find new people to play with you will easily fall into a self fulfilling prophecy “game is dead nobody on my friends list is logging in anymore” and then they also log off claiming nobody is playing their dead game. Well of course, people move on. Go find a new community and meet new people, then you will see that people are actually still enjoying the game, even new players who come from other MMO’s.
Putting the sub boost on classic is a bit over estimating the popularity of it as well. Its a hype fest mostly fed from streamers with nostalgia of when “things were hard”, however anyone with a critical eye notices that classic is more tedious and time consuming then its hard. While I do agree that there are certain aspects of it that contribute greatly to an MMORPG feeling, which then have been eliminated over time… it also has to be included that these things got removed for player convenience because they were fun the first time, a hassle the 2nd time and worst case it would halt guild progression because we had to go kill Lady Vashj and Kael’thas again. Regardless, it has also been shown from streams or personally experienced that leveling isn’t hard at all on classic. Dungeons aren’t hard either 15 years after they have been first introduced. You could equip a warrior in full cloth and give him a 2 hander and he’ll still tank it without much issues. But the hype is real. And while a minority probably payed for a sub in the hopes of entering the beta, I’m sure that a few of them are back to playing retail and decided to just leave classic for what it is. Again basing this on experience of people joining my guild that realized classic isn’t what the hype described it to be and 8.2 actually being a solid patch.
And I believe a similar experience will happen when classic actually launches. Plenty of players subscribing to come back to the golden age of WoW, then realizing that it was greatly over hyped because aside from raids or bg’s there isn’t much content. Aside from making your own guild you won’t be doing the Scarab Lord quest either. So whats the point? Maybe they would then try out retail since they have an active sub anyway… and then they will notice that retail isn’t so bad as those same streamers are making it out to be.
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There’s a time to live and a time to die, when it’s time to meet the maker. There’s a time to live but isn’t it strange that as soon as you’re born, you’re dying?
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Must be fun living in your own bubble that’s so far from reality that you still think that a an old version of this game from 2004 is better than what we have now. It was only successful back then because there was nothing else on the same level. Now… 15 years later… can’t really say the same. Oh man, i can’t wait to see how its going to fail when the hype ends and people realize that most of the things they complain about in BfA are present in Classic and even worse (together with the overall gameplay experience).
It is. But you obviously know better since you started playing the game when this game was already going downhill am I right?
Want to guess why?
And what exactly? Only thing I do agree that gameplay is pretty bad but the overall experience is going to be 1000 times better than what you have on your god awful retail garbage.
Which means if subs fall , it’s ONLY because classic sucks ? Since all subs came for classic?
Yes? But I am also objective. Which is why I don’t hesitate to call bfa the worst expansion after woltk .
Edit : oh bow the classic fans are starting to get toxic again 
well it was a fun thread but I guess it can be closed now
Dead game since TBC 
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I reactivated my sub at the end of May hoping to get access to Classic beta. I did get access to it and played it, so I kept my sub up. Classic is coming in less than a month, so no reason to terminate my sub either. I also hope live will do better in the future, I don’t like it now but nobody says they can’t turn it around and do something I will like in 9.0.
“Wow is dying” I hear this since Vanilla.
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All-right smart guy, I’ll bite.
As I said in the post about how WoW is dying, the game is not on universal decline at all times. Instead, it goes up with major content releases, especially expansions, such as Rise of Azshara.
That is what happened this quarter.
What I am also saying, however, is that when the subscription numbers go up, they go up less than last time. Legion got a smaller peak than WoD, and BfA had a smaller peak than Legion, and 8.1 is by far the biggest slump in the game’s history, but 8.2 brings it back up a bit.
You can see this on this image posted to Reddit some months ago:
https://i.redd.it/b0j1aag43j821.jpg
I believe this image is fairly accurate, as do Kevin Jordan, one of World of Warcraft’s lead designers from back in the day. What you see here is that the game is still in decline, even if we get the occasional quarter where things are looking up.
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