P2W is normally exclusive to money, not some in-game farmable currency.
It’s basically when the price of the base game (and the monthly subscription in wow’s case) doesn’t really reflect the “real” price of playing the game anymore. Because without spending more money on X (say lootboxes), you cannot compete.
The wow token doesn’t introduce anything into the game that you couldn’t do without the wow token. It’s just another avenue.
I could chip in gold for getting you BoE corruption gear, out of the kindness of my heart, or because i think we’ll be able to do well in dungeon runs together, or because you’ve promised you’ll help me farm a rare mount. Or you could’ve farmed harder yourself.
the wow token is one more way for you to convince me to help you, in this case it’s a “i scratch your back, you scratch mine” type of deal, where we never have to meet and discuss terms. You pay my sub, i help you farm gold.
Not how leveling boosts,mythic raids,3mask and m+ boosts works you litterraly afk have to die.As for BoE’s they are what they are.You can never join anything you just dump your salary into the game and will get all the gear you wish.
The Token made it a sanctioned transaction and Blizzard approved,hence the mass boosted spams we have now days,its mainstreamed for masses.
Instant purchases without any time devoted in-game
instant max level
instant gear
near instant io rating
pet collection
many mounts
off the top of my head
There is a big difference in how quickly you can get these with a token and the requirements change quite a bit because of that.
Time is the greatest resource in the world, you can skip an investment of time in-game via tokens - to an extent.
Yes it is possible to pay 340 EURO to get wow tokens to buy a BiS item with the best corruption. But then again let’s be realistic here. Who does that ? Maybe less than 0,1% of the total player base ?
Looking at myself; I now aim to get BFA Keystone Master - Season 4. I am unsure if the above mentioned behaviour prevents me to achieve that.
Yes but normal gameplay is not a requirement, you can completely bypass gameplay for money so I wouldn’t really consider it a strawman.
Without a token you would be completely required to grind currency, to actually play the game for benefits.
For some players it’s important that the effort they put into the game can only be matched by an equal or greater effort, as opposed to wallet/purse size.
It’s pretty much a like it or lump it scenario, for gaming in general, if people dislike it I urge them to support devs/games that actively avoid such models.
Okay, lets make it easy
If BiS gear with best Corruption (or selectable Corruption) and best Azerite gear with sellectable traits would be in the In Game Shop to buy it with your real money, THEN it would be a P2W … tho’ even then the “Pay to gain some advantage in PvP or number-fanatic PvErs” better desribes it…
Listen to Brigante people… and let it go
Let it goooo
Someone spend that time in game farming. If you tell me “hey if you farm gold for me tonight, i’ll craft you that nice mount you like” and i say sure! and start grinding, and we trade up later, you may not have done the farming personally but that makes no difference.
Whether i helped you because you’d craft me a mount or because you’d pay for my sub, or whatever doesn’t really make a difference. The wow token just standardizes this proces, makes it predictable, quick and less socially demanding (works even if you have no friends).
WoW token is not involved there.
The wow token has no effect on this. It doesn’t even add any gold to the economy. People farmed a bunch of gold, someone farmed a BoE item, gold flowed around between them and someone ends up wearing that BoE.
hell, even if it had been a BoP item the situation would’ve been the same, except it would be a different dude wearing the item.
I know you can spend the gold on these things, but it’s entirely unrelated.
True sure, but there’s also a big difference in how quickly you can get Ahead of the Curve if you’re a member of a good guild. That doesn’t make it pay to win either.
The fact remains that the wow token does not add anything to the game. No items, no gold. It’s just another avenue of compelling players to work together, similar to guilds, communities and friendships. It’s just a lot less social and more of a pragmatic arrangement.
No idea what you’re referring to, it’s pretty cut and dry in my opinion.
As others have said all over this thread already, the only way to see P2W here is by twisting the term into something completely different.
Without the token people that keen on buying those items would purchase gold from some dodgy 3rd part site and risk their CC details getting stolen and their account compromised.
You think selling boosts spam is bad ? It’s nothing compared to what the gold sellers did to trade chat and other areas of the game back before the token system was introduced.
No the opposite actually.
Supply and demand. When there’s more of a product being supplied than is bought, prices drop. And of course the opposite is true as well.
Thats not blizzard sanctioned and its not allowed.So you and the booster would be baned if someone reported you,this way its not.Its blizzard sanctioned and approved.GM never returned and in some case banned you for buying gold.
No thats exactlly what it is P2w service by players and blizzard gets the 7€ cut from every token sale.
I see how this functions similar to a token, however with a token there is a fabrication of effort, you don’t have to do anything to attain that gold other than spend. That is a clear advantage over a player who will not spend.
Not really, the points I make in my posts are different from the OP, as I mention - we set our own goalposts, to a majority this is not important and yet to others it’s part of what they consider completion, as I mention before, you don’t have to obtain many of these in a conventional manner, you can just buy them, with IRL cash.
Pay to win is subjective, pay for an advantage - can anybody refute that there is no advantage for spending? Particularly Time!
I’m aware this was a pretty crap situation and it actually rewarded players who took illegal measures AND it no doubt cost blizzard resources to pursue and deal with.
It doesn’t make things any better however, just the same system but legalised.
If there is anything to come out of these threads I guess it would be this:
It would be nice to have a server where there is no form of transactions/boosts and if it cropped up in illegal form again it could be heavily enforced with a ban.
I think that would be pretty neat myself.
Obviously it gets tricky when it comes to guildies helping boost eachother etc but I’m not really talking on this scale.
Not at all. You realise the money and gametime never touches the game world right ? A certain amount of gold moves
Within the Real World
20 euros moves around, out of the wallet of Person A. 7EU goes into Mr.Blizzard’s wallet, 13EU goes towards a gametime purchase. the gametime is applied to Person B’s account.
Within the Game
Person B farmed gold at some point earlier.
Person B’s 170k moves through the AH to Person A.
There is nothing being added or subtracted from the Game. All the items and gold that were there before the wow token transaction, are still there.