Wow pay 2 win and Token gold

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

@Damae-auchindoun

They dont matter because you made up the list of “facts” that define the pay to win system according to your experience with other games.

Saying that something doesn’t matter is not the same as proving that something is wrong. If what I said wasn’t true then you should prove that but you didn’t so clearly you are unable to refute and defeated my argument.

@Damae-auchindoun

The definition of pay to win isnt set in stone as ive said before.

No, you didn’t. You literally were using one specific definition of P2W from the Urban Dictionary and arguing that it’s a clear definition of what P2W is lol

You just keep backpedaling lol

@Damae-auchindoun

You are merely paying to catch up or to get to the same level of play.

Doesn’t matter you still pay to gain something.

@Damae-auchindoun

There is no shortcut to progress faster because you arent progressing anything. You are bypassing said progress by buying it.

None of what you said proves than you aren’t progressing.
As long as you doing something which you didn’t do before be it leveling, questing, raiding you are progressing.

@Damae-auchindoun

In a game that is based upon player skill and knowledge and proper rotations, itemlevel simply doesnt equal power.

Skill/knowledge doesn’t make your abilities do more damage but gear does so gear is literally rising your power level

@Damae-auchindoun

You mentioned the fact certain items or goods werent obtainable without the pay to win system. Which i told you, simply isnt true.

There is no real money needed besides your subscription / game purchase to achieve anything you want in this game.

Look it up and you will see.

This crap again. I was referring to the exclusives in some games which otherwise aren’t obtainable through normal gameplay and you keep confusing what I said with WoW for some fluffing reason lol
IF you don’t understand what other person is saying then stop making comments because it’s pointless to explain something 3 times.

@Damae-auchindoun

This is relevant. Because you said it yourself:

@Blinkrush-magtheridon

• various types of power,

• shortcuts to progress faster,
• shortcuts to achieve content which player wouldn’t achieve on his own

So the fact you used real money to gain power doesnt mean a thing if you dont gain anything by it.

Eee… no. P2W is determined by the fact that you pay real money to obtain e.g. power. What you do with this power is irrelevant.

@Damae-auchindoun

Its not a subjective opinion.

What you said wasliterally your subjective opinion.

@Damae-auchindoun

Buying power with real money is only possible if others already possess this power.
So you are merely getting up to par with other players already in charge of the powers you just spend money on.

Nothing subjective. You simply can’t spend real money on gaining said powers before anyone else has achieved it. (In WoW at least)

Again, whether someone already has a given level of power is irrelevant because this doesn’t determine P2W. The fact that you can pay real money for a given power does.

@Damae-auchindoun

Pay to win is not working in WoW:

You literally are able to pay real money to obtain rare BoP which was making you more competitive in PvE and PvP setting. Stop smoking w/e you are smoking because you are clueless about topic.

@Damae-auchindoun

Shortcut: to what? You arent jumping into progress raid or high rated pvp content because you bought 475 gear

Actually, you can pay for a raid spot in current content as well as pay to get better gear which on your own you wouldn’t gain.

@Damae-auchindoun

Power gain: you became stronger but only in relation to your former own power. Towards others you are merely caught up now.

Not only in relation to yourself but also in relation to other people. If you did forget buying tokens with real money was available trough entire xpac’s and now just now so many people paid for power and rewards.

@Damae-auchindoun

Faster: you didnt do anything faster, because the real money can only be spent after someone else managed to do the content and thats how you are able to benefit from them.

Yea you do. People carry you which allows you to get do something faster than on your own.

Fluff hell it’s like explaining 12YO quantum physics or some crap