WW monk nature damag FoF

I can remember a thread where you were fighting with another rogue and told him that a priest has more armor than a pala, because a holy paladin only has like 40% or something.

Outdated information are just outdated, but what you are usually doing is really ignorant. Fighting even when you were proven wrong and claim you knew it from the beginning. :laughing:

And btw, where did I show ignorance? I havent disagreed with what you said or said its wrong, since other people told me its true as well. I just mentioned what a type of person you are in my opinion and asked you to stop talking to me. Your opinion is unasked and unwanted for me, the rest is welcome to answer tho!

Anyways, a good time to put you on ignore.

Lmao yes I’m sure I said that, it’s well known cloth users have more armor than plate users. This topic was not about armor. Armor was but a factor.

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Glad to help !

Funnily with Tigereye Brew you can actually see how the class is dealt with by the devs.

It has a full 1.5 sec GCD not affected by Haste
When you use SCK you always get a stack while SCK costing 2 Chi (in legion it did cost 3 chi)
Devs know that WW’s have a huge weakness against high armor classes for no real reason ever since they removed the Tiger Palm buff and instead creating a beloved fake spell for Windwalker which even reduces your damage when used against Cloth/Leather which makes no real sense.

Obviously outdated, because it has been this way in the past! Also is ignorance a harsh word and therefor the wrong word for wrong or outdated informations.

Havent read it with much attention but you said something like holy pala has only 40% armor which is really dumb and shows your ignorance since he has a lot more. But you also said that a priest has a reduction buff so in combination he has as much physical absorbtion like a pala has with armor.

Just your typical ignorant nonsense. :laughing:

They probably dont know how it feels to play ww in arena vs high armor classes, otherwise they would have fixed it a long time ago. Dont play ww that much but every time I do I hate to play vs high armor classes, especially resto shaman which counters ww design completely from my experience.

Wonders in fury, outlaw, marksmanship, beast master, subtlety and enhancement unviability

Those both bypasses a bunch of armor per default, mostly due non armor related damage. But guess what, all the listed specs have other specs in their class that are bypassing a lot of armor. :wink: And its getting even more crazy: all of them are performing good!

So is the root of all evil that armor is still a thing in pvp? :thinking: :wink: Personally I think its a huge issue, especially in terms of balancing ww and other armor related classes like the ones you listed.

Arms and WW are the only physical dps specs that are actually part of the meta. The rest are unviable, mostly because of a lack of damage.
WW isn’t special just because it’s monk’s only dps spec, all physical dmg specs suffer or are inferior because of armor. Definitely the root of the problem.

The only time enhancement and subtletly are a threat, is when they activate their CDs to bypass armor. Otherwise, they hardly put a dent in the plate of their opponent.

Funnily enough, specs that have moved away from physical damage and onto magic schools, are the ones that stay viable for the most part, regardless of meta.

And arms doesnt even really belong to it because ~50% of his damage are just bleedings.

If a hybrid spec is bad, they cant just switch to another viable spec, they basically have to reroll. But a rogue can just switch onto another spec because they will never be all bad at the same time. Thats a huge difference imo but not the core problem.

Nice that you agree.

I dont face enhancement shaman often, but their damage is absurd. If they had better defense, they would be 100% meta.

Indeed. Thats why armor shouldnt be a part in PvP anymore. Just remove it and give classes that highly depends on it some other stuff. Please something that requires skill like prediction cds.

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