Nope, that’s Valeera Sanguinar, Varian’s basically Alliance Blood Elf. But I can understand conflating all these barbies…
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she is alliance still and that feels bad for blood elf fans who wanted a real rep like the Bloodwatcher family or Rexxar.
By all divinities yet another thread lost…
What gender bias? are you trying so hard to make it seem like that everyone who doesn’t like jaina or vereesa’s actions is somehow biased in a wrong way.
Also thats oversimplification of that horde was fine with the warcrimes of garrosh, whole voljin plot, and even before all other races in horde were a target for garrosh and they didnt turn cause they respected the command.
And it was not the exiling itself the problem with jaina and vereesa to me, it is how it happened it was an slaughter kill on sight. Complete mass murder on streets while everyone had to escape before they were killed. Atleast horde side of it was that way
In lor’themars banishing of high elves isnt the same, Given fair warning and not as much murder, even if it was an heinous but pragmatic act. Well im happy if some lore specialist actually corrects me about that
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No, but I just find it funny that when Lor’themar Theron (a man) does exactly what Jaina does it is fine, but when Jaina (a women) does exactly what Lor’themar Theron does it is somehow the worst thing to have ever happened in the entire history of Warcraft.
I can’t help but wonder if there’s more than just Horde bias at play there.
Only started after Garrosh told him off, and that the trolls should carry their weight in his Horde or be considered weaklings and thus have no place in his Horde.
Oh, so they were already targetted but remained loyal so they could wage war on the Alliance?
Sounds to me like they didn’t turn against Garrosh because of his warcrimes and attempted genocide on the Alliance then, but because they were finally at risk of the Garrosh treatment.
On Alliance side we just kill those that fight back and those that don’t fight back are teleported to prison.
They weren’t given fair warning. They either had to vampire mana wyrms or get exiled, no other options.
Also, if you exile a group of people into a undeath wasteland where they’ll be hunted down by undeath or amani trolls or both and thus many die that way, do you actually get to wash your hands off of their deaths?
Like, imagine you would exile people you don’t agree with into the desert and they die of dehydration, you’d still be responsible for their deaths.
That is again an headcanon thing with forcing em to undeath wasteland or amani trolls hands. But yea i have the same problem cause where my loyalities lie it is human nature
How i see the situation is it was an desperate actions by desperate nation trying to keep everything intact and running. And im willing to bet midnight will deal with this too and hopefully in a good way. I’m not agreeing with the choice but i understand it completly
It is not headcanon, wth.
You know that high elf lodge in EPL, on the border of Quel’thalas? They are the survivors of those Lor’themar exiled from Quel’thalas.
Renthar and his group had dissented against Rommath’s teachings on moral grounds. To avoid the nation becoming divided on the issue, as the teachings had been an essential boon to the elves, Lor’themar, now Quel’Thalas’ regent, exiled the group south. The priestess Aurora Skycaller was among the exiles. From then on, the lodge served as their home.
You are right, my bad
You’re mistaken here.
Vereesa didn’t leave during the Legion expansion, unlike Jaina, because she refused to cooperate with the Horde. In fact, she even felt regret when Orestes died.
It would have taken 7 more days to close the topic. Why are you bringing it back?
“guys debate me but don’t use the one arguement thats valid”
Nah screw that.
they were introduced by the forsaken who helped prevent quel’thalas from turning into the northern plaguelands, afterwards horde diplomats were even sent, I’m pretty sure that group was walking the city until atleast cata if they still aren’t roaming around in it.
Its not like the darkspear army and blood elf army met on the field of battle and decided hugging and gift exchanges were gonna be how things went down, it came there gradually.
The old lore is pretty well put together, its a shame people sometimes toss whole swaths aside simply because they don’t like it or oversimplify how things went to the point where things no longer make sense.
Edit: Too late brother we’re back now.
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Really sad that this is the case for most arguments against Horde lore. It’s like players have forgotten what these races were even about in the first place and what nuance older Blizzard writers were trying their damnest to portray. I’m not saying the Horde players are all innocent and don’t have their own instigators, but that just makes it all the more sad.
Can’t believe there are actually players out there who genuinely think WoW lore is so incredibly shallow as ‘’‘‘RED EVIL’’‘’ and ‘’‘‘BLUE GOOD’’‘’.
Under the condition that Lor’Themar obeyed Sylvanas, she threatened to pull the forsaken aid if he didn’t aid her in her efforts (not the Horde efforts, just the forsaken ones). So it was by peer pressure that the blood elves obeyed to avoid being overrun by the undead.
It’s more that the newer player base hasn’t indulged in the amazing lore. Elven lore from the Kaldorei up to the Sin’dorei is amazingly well written. Ren’dorei I got questionmarks, but it seems they are trying to build up that group in TWW with K’aresh and I think will see more lore for them in midnight. It’s been confirmed the Quel’dorei will make an appearance too, but to what extend we don’t know.
I’m someone who wanted playable high elves (aligned to alliance) but I’m happy with my void elves. Just hope that the allied races in general will get some love, more costumsation in the near future.
As for the OP.
I don’t mind having a Horde sanctum in Silvermoon, we can’t all expect them to be as lenient as the Kaldorei in their new home. But Quel’thalas is basically becoming a neutral zone and is allowing all elves to come home again. So RP players will have their dream fullfilled. Just keep in mind that 2/3rd of the city will be sanctuary and only 1/3rd horde only. If they keep the old layout do the current city and just rebuild the ruins part, that means only sunfury spire, court of the sun, farstride square, the royal exchange will probably be sealed off as horde only.
Normally, I do not mind.
I do mind however when it is argued as the hill to die upon and are more than willing to go out guns blazing to prove that X Red and Y Blue is sacrosanct this and that and cannot ever possibly deviate.
Genuinely, I do not understand why I, and other players as a matter of fact, have to define to certain players that playing Horde does not mean they are inherently bad people IRL and/or have this strange lust for war crimes.
You’d think it wasn’t possible.
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To explain this you’d have to go into the social construct of society and so onward sadly.
I personaly play Alliance because I just don’t feel home at Horde. When I play Horde I find myself playing a blood elf and hanging around in Silvermoon city all by myself x.x
I think it’s of how horde “looks” outwards that makes them be the bad guys and in some cases lore wise Orcs would be the invasive ones to Azeroth (Warcraft was basically based on it). I think that’s what is causing is, for those that follow the lore a little.
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And that’s where it should be. Everyone has their own reasons for playing their fantasy favourites. I love Blood/Void Elves and Zandalari Trolls for example. That’s quite shallow of me in this huge fantasy world, but that’s where my personal line is.
Nothing wrong with that. It’s just a matter of bias and taste. I am envious of those who like Tauren or Orcs and are active players of them, as I don’t feel the vibe. That’s fine too.
Well, yeah. That’s the gist of it.
But then said same players just love ignoring everything else about these antagonists and just percieve them in their own merry feel-good ways. Often at the detriment of another person. Which y’know… is wrong? Idk, am I insane in thinking like this?
In another thread, I explained that the Horde’s antagonism and then later its cause for survival on a new world alongside other outcasts is what draws and attracts people to its nuances. When this gets ignored for lolvalue and spite, that’s where it is wrong.
Players do not play evil or controversial things because they want to be murderers, terrorists or corrupt. Neither do they do so to expect it. Hardline. This being told in a story discussion forum in of itself is ridiculous.
Let’s not. We already have to go through so many non-contextual and unnecessary loops as it is in a forum dedicated to discussing stories in the first place. 
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High elf fans in cope mode still.
Bit of a late response (weekend and all) and yes this is true though I raise my eyebrow at the use of the word obeyed, it wasn’t vassalization or enslavement. I like the lore including how Sylvanas somewhat strongarmed Lorthemar, as well as the elves taking some time to really find their place and responsabilities afterwards and not immediately being peachy with everyone.
Its not like she was demanding they open their graveyards to her necromancers (banshees?) or demanded blood sacrifice in her name or something and if you are allied with the forsaken; a strong neighbour is good for high home.
Unless you can list things the belves were forced to do against their own interests I dont see the harm in Sylvanas asking for something in return for her help to avoid the Thalassians to go extinct.
Former lordaeron wasn’t exactly doing great either and assets sent to help quelthalas are assets that cannot be used to relieve the problems of lordaeron
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She demanded aid right after the elves stabilized their kingdom to secure her borders. After that they got flung into Outland (queue sunwell and Kael’thas becoming crazed) and right after WotLK campaign. Mind you they were according to the lore still repairing Quel’thalas from the scourge invasion.
That’s it in a nutshell without going into much detail. It’s stated they wanted to focus on rebuilding first before going to aid the war efforts but it was stated Sylvanas pressured them.
Priest Ennas (now Ennas the Faithfallen) and Lyria Skystrider (I hope I got the names right). Were the only blood elves protesting inside Silvermoon city, at the Bazaar for joining the Horde and “betraying the Alliance”, I believe Lyria specifically called out that the Banshee Queen is not the Sylvanas she once was.
Then queue magisters summoning and mind washing them into saying it’s great to join the Horde.
Current Ennas in-game flavor text:
“Silvermoon betrayed its people the moment we joined hands with the Horde. That’s why I left. Better to be an outcast flung to the far reaches of space than to swallow the lies of the magisters.”
&
Lyria:
“The blood elves were fools to leave the Alliance and join the Horde. Mere puppets, dancing to the tune of whatever evil wished to control them.
But I’ve cut my strings. No one will control me. Not the magisters, not the Void. Not even Alleria Windrunner herself.”
Not trying to argue but just trying to give sources to support my claims hehe 
so you know I ain’t pulling it from thin air 
Everyone had to pull their weight against the scourge back then. All the Horde wanted was the Sin’dorei proof they are good at saving the world.
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