Your 5 most and least favourite WoW characters

There is no problem with either of these things. Men can act “like women” and women can act “like men” and it isn’t poor writing. It’s a weird and poorly explained regressive attitude to criticise it in that way.

You’re also applying modern conservative ideals about what constitutes a man or woman to an orc, a barbarian warrior people. Of course they’re not going to conform to traditional gender roles.

Sure, but that’s also most orcs.

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It’s a Trunchbull insult and almost all the ones she uses is how I describe Knaak and his writing…especially of female characters.

But this is not what you initially said. What you said was:

Which does make your main point/issue that she doesn’t act like how you think women should act/be written. And therefore=Bad.

There is, if it is done poorly.
It can be done well, but that seems to be fairly rare nowadays.

So does Blizzard, tbh.

Arguable.
I quite liked Draka.

Debatable.
I’m more of a centrist, but Blizzard doesn’t really do standard “gender roles” when it comes to races such as Orcs and Night Elves.

Well, maybe for the latter, they do. Men sleep and women do the work…?
Don’t worry my dear gentlemen, I’m only jesting. :rofl:

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Well - they did with Night Elves, which is still reflected in roleplay fairly often. You don’t see many male sentinels or priests of Elune.

As for orcs, I can think of a number of female characters that someone could criticise as “not acting like women”:

  • Zaela
  • Gorgonna
  • Krenna

But there’s nothing wrong with those characters either. They ascribe to Orcish ideals, not real world human gender roles.

Also, I saw some mention of ‘SJWs’ earlier in the discussion. That’s the most weak-sauce, reductive response to challenges.

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Outside of the night elves being a very matriarchal focused society/divided between the genders(which nowdays is not as present compared to previously), the only other really kinda gender focused race/society we got is Blood trolls, which also has a very female dominated society.

There was some vauge mentioning during pre-cataclysm quests that Orc women now had a role equal to men in their society, and the old troll gender roles that floated about a while in RP was primarily either complete headcanon or from non-canon RPG lore.

As a whole, gender in Warcraft has little impact.

I was more jesting towards the fact that the men slept and the women did all the hard work.
Again, I was jesting.

Well no, their is nothing wrong with them, except my Zeala died and I was completely offended by that! But in all seriousness, you are right, Orcs are a very “warrior” type race, just as they are, “shamanistic.” The men and women have to prove their strength through trials.

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Np, I realised you were joking! It just brought me onto a point I find interesting.

I want to see more of

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Morka_Bruggu ! She was very Orcish and I think she was the one Horde character I liked from A Good War :frowning:

She could even serve as one of the new generation of Orcish characters!:scream:

Morka was a great example of Orcish culture. She’s ‘one of the guys’ in a way that any orc would be, despite having something crazy like ten children.

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Very interesting character, I must say.

I’d like to see more of her as well. Perhaps more of her and Cordressa Briarbow.

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Frankly, we have zero reason to hold ourselves to your stone age ideas of what we should or should not do in real life, much less in a fictional setting.

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Completely missed the point. Ah well.

No, I did not. You said a female character is bad because she did not act like what you think a woman should. I say that we can act like what we damn well want, reality or fiction - doesn’t make it any less ‘justified’.

But yeah, I guess once you pulled the SJW card you showed your power level a bit too quickly. :confused: Back to r/incels for you.

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Women absolutely cannot be coarse or gruff, these are traits for male characters.

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You still didn’t answer my question on whether Ripley from Alien was a bad character because she was originally written so that either a man and a woman could play her (as was the rest of the cast of the 1st film)

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Favourite: Jarod Shadowsong. Kael’thas. Garrosh. Maiev. Varian.

Least: Jaina. Magni. Thrall. Nathanos. Sylvanas.

I’m not disagreeing with this, but some of this is kinda weird when you look at lore from the old Warcraft games… for example, the Night Elf Sentinels and Priestesses were, at least the way I understood it, a female-only organization in Warcraft 3; but now we have male Sentinels without this ever even being mentioned as a new thing. Same for the Horde: the orcs were established as a very masculine, male-dominated society, with literally all the orc units in the RTS games being men… then again, so were most of the human units. Still, all the orc leaders are men as well, the humans at least had Jaina, plus Alleria, Sylvanas, etc.

Don’t think this is really pertinent to current WoW, but it still feels weird to say the Horde has always been gender-equal when if you look back 10-15 years they’re pretty much all men. And if the gender equality is a new thing, it feels a bit weird this is never mentioned at all.

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A lot of the old lore was very different, the troll RPG lore for example as already mentioned would probably upset a lot of people here. It would be off limits today. (the RPG lore was cannon for a time and while denounced, TBC, WOTLK and much of WoW has been built from it) People often forget about characters like Lorin Remka, Captain Lorena from Cycles of Hatred or Sergra Darkthorn who first makes a point in vanilla of telling male Horde players under Thrall’s Horde women are equal now.

It’s only really in WoW that it all changed slowly over time and I don’t think NuBlizzard’s politics would ever let them have that much nuance in their story writing now, they would prefer it was hidden away. Personally I don’t much mind because it’s flavour and in a fantasy universe (I intensely dislike politics influencing media) I think it makes for interesting characters. When everything’s squeaky clean and pure it bores me to death.