There is no problem with either of these things. Men can act “like women” and women can act “like men” and it isn’t poor writing. It’s a weird and poorly explained regressive attitude to criticise it in that way.
You’re also applying modern conservative ideals about what constitutes a man or woman to an orc, a barbarian warrior people. Of course they’re not going to conform to traditional gender roles.
Outside of the night elves being a very matriarchal focused society/divided between the genders(which nowdays is not as present compared to previously), the only other really kinda gender focused race/society we got is Blood trolls, which also has a very female dominated society.
There was some vauge mentioning during pre-cataclysm quests that Orc women now had a role equal to men in their society, and the old troll gender roles that floated about a while in RP was primarily either complete headcanon or from non-canon RPG lore.
I was more jesting towards the fact that the men slept and the women did all the hard work.
Again, I was jesting.
Well no, their is nothing wrong with them, except my Zeala died and I was completely offended by that! But in all seriousness, you are right, Orcs are a very “warrior” type race, just as they are, “shamanistic.” The men and women have to prove their strength through trials.
Frankly, we have zero reason to hold ourselves to your stone age ideas of what we should or should not do in real life, much less in a fictional setting.
No, I did not. You said a female character is bad because she did not act like what you think a woman should. I say that we can act like what we damn well want, reality or fiction - doesn’t make it any less ‘justified’.
But yeah, I guess once you pulled the SJW card you showed your power level a bit too quickly. Back to r/incels for you.
You still didn’t answer my question on whether Ripley from Alien was a bad character because she was originally written so that either a man and a woman could play her (as was the rest of the cast of the 1st film)
I’m not disagreeing with this, but some of this is kinda weird when you look at lore from the old Warcraft games… for example, the Night Elf Sentinels and Priestesses were, at least the way I understood it, a female-only organization in Warcraft 3; but now we have male Sentinels without this ever even being mentioned as a new thing. Same for the Horde: the orcs were established as a very masculine, male-dominated society, with literally all the orc units in the RTS games being men… then again, so were most of the human units. Still, all the orc leaders are men as well, the humans at least had Jaina, plus Alleria, Sylvanas, etc.
Don’t think this is really pertinent to current WoW, but it still feels weird to say the Horde has always been gender-equal when if you look back 10-15 years they’re pretty much all men. And if the gender equality is a new thing, it feels a bit weird this is never mentioned at all.
A lot of the old lore was very different, the troll RPG lore for example as already mentioned would probably upset a lot of people here. It would be off limits today. (the RPG lore was cannon for a time and while denounced, TBC, WOTLK and much of WoW has been built from it) People often forget about characters like Lorin Remka, Captain Lorena from Cycles of Hatred or Sergra Darkthorn who first makes a point in vanilla of telling male Horde players under Thrall’s Horde women are equal now.
It’s only really in WoW that it all changed slowly over time and I don’t think NuBlizzard’s politics would ever let them have that much nuance in their story writing now, they would prefer it was hidden away. Personally I don’t much mind because it’s flavour and in a fantasy universe (I intensely dislike politics influencing media) I think it makes for interesting characters. When everything’s squeaky clean and pure it bores me to death.